• 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election - Call for Nominations

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Tue Jan 25 17:14:55 2022
    2022 FTSC election, call for nominations
    ...
    Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
    following methods:

    1. Any RC.
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
    officer of the FTSC.

    Normally it should have been obvious there is going to be an FTSC-election and one of the items discussed in the announcement is the appointment of candidates ...

    There is a dramatic decrease in interest, and in talent, for nodes to be a candidate and we may have to conclude the FTSC will expire in less than a year when the second wave of members comes-up for (re-)election.

    Question for the ZCC is if we value or not the availability of such a body as the FTSC. There may be a point where as a group, the ZCC if it chooses continuity of the FTSC will have to look out for prospective members and take-up its role as a nominating committee to avoid the FTSC-membership to drop below the mimimum treshold of "7".

    May I invite some thoughts here by the membership?

    Thank youm

    \%/@rd
    ZC2 & IC

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All Zcs on Sat Feb 5 10:02:20 2022
    Guys.

    Question for the ZCC is if we value or not the availability of such a
    body as the FTSC. There may be a point where as a group, the ZCC if it chooses continuity of the FTSC will have to look out for prospective members and take-up its role as a nominating committee to avoid the FTSC-membership to drop below the mimimum treshold of "7".

    May I invite some thoughts here by the membership?

    This is not such a tough question ... is it?

    I'm requesting your OK or NOK on this so that we can ensure the continuity of the FTSC in the future ...

    This would be the first sign of life from an active ZCC since Janis Kracht virtually destroyed it roughly 20 years ago ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jan 26 2022
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 5 06:44:46 2022
    On 05 Feb 22 10:02:20, Ward Dossche said the following to All Zcs:

    members and take-up its role as a nominating committee to avoid the FTSC-membership to drop below the mimimum treshold of "7".

    Why is the minimum 7?

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Sat Feb 5 14:27:24 2022
    members and take-up its role as a nominating committee to avoid the NA>WD> FTSC-membership to drop below the mimimum treshold of "7".

    Why is the minimum 7?

    It has one day been determined by people smarter than me that a working committee should have at least 7 members ... this was put in a charter. Let me translate that in my words "If we put it at 7, then there's a chance that there are at least 2 people who know and understand what they're talking about" ... as for the absolute number of "2", I think I'm very close...maybe 3-ish ...

    There's an upper limit of 30 ...

    My thing is the FTSC hasn't done a whole lot lately, but I don't think it's to blame for that either. There simply isn't that much to do ... but in my opinion that's not a reason to let it expire.

    In the past I always advocated to create such a nominating committee but there was oposition from Janis not to do that ...

    And Janis is gone ... so here we are ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 5 09:16:01 2022
    On 05 Feb 22 14:27:24, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    My thing is the FTSC hasn't done a whole lot lately, but I don't think it's blame for that either. There simply isn't that much to do ... but in my opinion that's not a reason to let it expire.

    In the past I always advocated to create such a nominating committee but th was oposition from Janis not to do that ...

    Well we seem to have people elected into the FTSC with unrealistic expectations. It sounds bad but personally I feel I (or other likeminded tech-people) have to stick around because if not, the FTSC will evolve into that enforcing body and the know-it-alls will have their way with rediculous packet standards or the merging of Fido with Internet.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 7 01:00:19 2022
    Nick,

    Well we seem to have people elected into the FTSC with unrealistic expectations. It sounds bad but personally I feel I (or other likeminded tech-people) have to stick around because if not, the FTSC will evolve
    into that enforcing body and the know-it-alls will have their way with rediculous packet standards or the merging of Fido with Internet.

    I concur for the full 100% ...

    It also has been a popularity poll and sometimes people making a political statement... or just for the title. That's not the intention of the FTSC. I admire Andrew for putting up with this...he's a good guy.

    Love 'm or hate 'm but I for one would like to have Alex Shakaylo back into the FTSC. He quit because of the unfortunate imbalance between technically unqualified people and the truly capable ones. Previous elections he was querried and has refused, This election he was already querried by a third party and he refused again ... I'm personally yet going to try anew ...

    In the past, civilisations which did not promote the best of their members, collapsed ... and I'm sorry to see that Jay Harris has not understood that.

    But ... about the formation of a nominating committee ... I would like to get some support from either or all of the current ZCs so that we may inject some talent into the FTSC and eventually get rid of the lurkers ...

    Please ?

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 05 2022
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Nick Andre on Sun Feb 6 18:05:34 2022
    Re: Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election -
    By: Nick Andre to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 05 2022 06:44 am

    On 05 Feb 22 10:02:20, Ward Dossche said the following to All Zcs:

    members and take-up its role as a nominating committee to avoid the FTSC-membership to drop below the mimimum treshold of "7".

    Why is the minimum 7?

    Nick


    No real reason Nick.
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Nick Andre on Sun Feb 6 18:24:53 2022
    Re: Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election -
    By: Nick Andre to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 05 2022 09:16 am

    On 05 Feb 22 14:27:24, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    My thing is the FTSC hasn't done a whole lot lately, but I don't think i blame for that either. There simply isn't that much to do ... but in my opinion that's not a reason to let it expire.

    In the past I always advocated to create such a nominating committee but was oposition from Janis not to do that ...

    Well we seem to have people elected into the FTSC with unrealistic expectations. It sounds bad but personally I feel I (or other likeminded tech-people) have to stick around because if not, the FTSC will evolve into that enforcing body and the know-it-alls will have their way with rediculous packet standards or the merging of Fido with Internet.

    Nick


    Same feel here. ZC's became invited because of a near call when I was in Japan. They wanted to force something that would have decimated (at that time) the operations of Z3 and Z1. It was not a pretty time.

    I belive strongly that to watch for such, means all ZC's have access. There to balance the warnings if any one 'choice' would be detrimental to their zone.

    When I pushed for that, I was a sole voice who could speak to another zone than theirs. It was a lonely time and got a lot of abuse for it.

    xxcarol
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 7 01:41:50 2022
    Love 'm or hate 'm but I for one would like to have Alex Shakaylo back
    into the FTSC.

    I meant to say Alexey Vissarionov ...

    ... though Shakaylo is also knowledgeable imo.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 05 2022
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Feb 7 01:45:51 2022
    Carol,

    Same feel here. ZC's became invited because of a near call when I was in Japan. They wanted to force something that would have decimated (at that time) the operations of Z3 and Z1. It was not a pretty time.

    That rings a bell ... but I can't remember the exact nature of the potential conflict anymore. Are you sure about the Z1 and Z3 units?

    Anyway ... I have been early involved in the FTSC-operations after I was elected for the first time as a ZC. The understanding was that the FTSC is not an enforcing-body but in specific cases the *C-structure could facilitate an enforcement ... without knowing about the goings-on in the FTSC a ZC could not be expected to take initiatives ... upon which I requested access which was granted .... this was waaaaay before you were elected for the first time .... At that moment I think the other ZCs did not follow ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 05 2022
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sun Feb 6 20:14:44 2022
    On 07 Feb 22 01:41:50, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    Love 'm or hate 'm but I for one would like to have Alex Shakaylo back
    into the FTSC.

    I meant to say Alexey Vissarionov ...

    Oh that idiot? The one who went off on the whole "faggot" rants and spent his membership insulting anyone who disagreed with him technically? Legacy software is shit? You're shit for not running Linux?

    He comes across as an immature script-kid who borrows time on the living room family computer once his parents ensure all of his homework is completed.

    I don't think so. That ignorant Gremlin will NEVER get my vote. EVER.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sun Feb 6 20:19:47 2022
    On 07 Feb 22 01:00:19, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    But ... about the formation of a nominating committee ... I would like to g some support from either or all of the current ZCs so that we may inject so talent into the FTSC and eventually get rid of the lurkers ...

    Please ?

    Please explain to me what is trying to be accomplished here... are we redefining the membership minimum requirements? I would be open to discussion on this or lowering the minimum members required for a barely functional FTSC.

    Anything which supports what we discussed about never allowing the FTSC to be some Standards Police.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 7 03:06:59 2022
    Nick,

    Please explain to me what is trying to be accomplished here... are we redefining the membership minimum requirements?

    Re-defining minimum requirements is not an agenda-item for the ZCC but is dealt with in FTA-1000 and is only up for revision by the elected FTSC-members if they so decide.

    As for what is trying to be achieved here ... you may have missed my initial message dated Jan.25th... I'll stick a copy of it below ... I thought the explanation was pretty straightforward ...

    ***************************************************************************** Date: 25 Jan 22 17:14:55
    From: Ward Dossche
    To: All
    Subj: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election - Call for Nominations ____________________________________________________________________________
    2022 FTSC election, call for nominations
    ...
    Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
    following methods:

    1. Any RC.
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
    officer of the FTSC.

    Normally it should have been obvious there is going to be an FTSC-election
    and one of the items discussed in the announcement is the appointment of candidates ...

    There is a dramatic decrease in interest, and in talent, for nodes to be a candidate and we may have to conclude the FTSC will expire in less than a
    year when the second wave of members comes-up for (re-)election.

    Question for the ZCC is if we value or not the availability of such a body as the FTSC. There may be a point where as a group, the ZCC if it chooses continuity of the FTSC will have to look out for prospective members and take-up its role as a nominating committee to avoid the FTSC-membership to
    drop below the mimimum treshold of "7".

    May I invite some thoughts here by the membership?

    Thank youm

    \%/@rd
    ZC2 & IC *****************************************************************************

    Anything which supports what we discussed about never allowing the FTSC
    to be some Standards Police.

    Well ... nearly 3am ... I'm off to bed now ... gotta get up at 7.30 ...

    Just remember ... I'm also just trying to do something with my IC-mandate and keeping the FTSC alive and up to a decent technical level seems a worthy cause to me ... With Joe Harris' nomination of Sean Dennis, if he accepts because previously he declined a 2nd term, the average intelectual honesty level goes down and it's a trend which needs to be countered ...

    Good night,

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 05 2022
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Scott & Manuel on Thu Feb 10 14:34:00 2022
    Colleagues,

    I have been posting here since January 25th, that's 17 days ago, about the FTSC-election and our possible role of nominating candidates but haven't gotten any feedback from you two yet ... Are you reading here? (you also got my question via netmail)

    The only nomination so far is Sean Dennis ... Help! ... A capable candidate whom I approached will not touch Sean with a 10ft pole and declined. 2 have also declined because of the overal low level of FTSC-membership which from the times of Black-Hole-Bob has become a political symbol nothing to do with technical effectiveness. Being in the FTSC required you to do nothing at all, just sit there and lurk while you could say "I am a member of the FTSC".

    Fidonet requires a lot of my time and that's OK, it's a hobby and I've been there for over 3 decades. Daily a pile of questions, issues, technical garbage ... so I'd appreciate the feedback.

    Sometime during the 2nd part of 2019 I was voted unanymously by this group into the office of International Coordinator and I just need to know whether my wings are clipped to the point that this presence is reduced to a line in the nodelist and nothing else ...

    Please?

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 05 2022
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Tue Feb 8 15:58:28 2022
    Re: Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election -
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Feb 07 2022 01:45 am

    Carol,

    Same feel here. ZC's became invited because of a near call when I was i Japan. They wanted to force something that would have decimated (at tha time) the operations of Z3 and Z1. It was not a pretty time.

    That rings a bell ... but I can't remember the exact nature of the potential conflict anymore. Are you sure about the Z1 and Z3 units?

    Anyway ... I have been early involved in the FTSC-operations after I was elected for the first time as a ZC. The understanding was that the FTSC is n an enforcing-body but in specific cases the *C-structure could facilitate an enforcement ... without knowing about the goings-on in the FTSC a ZC could n be expected to take initiatives ... upon which I requested access which was granted .... this was waaaaay before you were elected for the first time ... At that moment I think the other ZCs did not follow ...

    \%/@rd


    Don't know anout that but you weren't there at the Japan time as far as I knew.
    There were 2 difficult ones. 1 wanted to basically outlaw IONs. Number 2 I think was to require codepage support for other character sets?

    It was pretty silly as they were trying to 'mandate' not document.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Nick Andre on Tue Feb 8 16:02:35 2022
    Re: Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election -
    By: Nick Andre to Ward Dossche on Sun Feb 06 2022 08:19 pm

    On 07 Feb 22 01:00:19, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    But ... about the formation of a nominating committee ... I would like t some support from either or all of the current ZCs so that we may inject talent into the FTSC and eventually get rid of the lurkers ...

    Please ?

    Please explain to me what is trying to be accomplished here... are we redefining the membership minimum requirements? I would be open to discussio on this or lowering the minimum members required for a barely functional FTS

    Anything which supports what we discussed about never allowing the FTSC to b some Standards Police.

    Nick


    Gin, largly been that but I think being a body that facilitates new standards at least being documented so others can decide (to use/not use is up to them).

    xxcarol
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Feb 10 14:40:54 2022
    Carol,

    Don't know anout that but you weren't there at the Japan time as far as I knew.

    I was not "where" during your Japan days?

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 05 2022
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  • From Scott Little@3:712/848 to Ward Dossche on Fri Feb 11 00:32:16 2022

    [ On 2022-02-10 at 14:34:00, Ward Dossche wrote to Scott & Manuel ]

    Are you reading here? (you also got my question via netmail)

    With variable frequency.

    On the question of FTSC continuity, if candidates can be found I'd like to see it continue even if nothing normally happens just so that the option is there if/when the mood strikes. Having the obstacle of first needing to re-establish the FTSC before getting anything done would pretty much guarantee nothing ever will again. It was hard enough last time when there were a lot more nodes.

    If the FTSC wants to lower the minimum membership limit perhaps they can compensate by requiring a ZC/RC or three to approve before issuing new documents?

    I have no issues with the ZCC being/appointing a nominating committee but I can't really help you with candidates as I'm not closely following the goings on. I can query Z3 and see if there's any interest. The only person that comes to mind is Paul Hayton, he's at least enthusiastic enough to start and run his own othernet fairly recently.


    --- The only way you can control people is to lie to them. [L. Ron Hubbard, 1952]
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Scott Little on Sat Feb 12 13:56:42 2022
    Hello Scott,

    Are you reading here? (you also got my question via netmail)

    With variable frequency.

    8-)

    Thank you for the clarification ... I can understand that Fido in Z3 isn't that much of a going concern anymore. Here it still is but the main issue is lack of talent and sometimes plain imbecils ... Nick faces the same challenges in Z1. It still takes me several hours a day as I try to reply to the several daily netmails here to get people going ... while others believe I'm a total arse ...

    On the question of FTSC continuity, if candidates can be found I'd like
    to see it continue even if nothing normally happens just so that the
    option is there if/when the mood strikes.

    That is exactly my point as well...

    If the FTSC wants to lower the minimum membership limit perhaps they can compensate by requiring a ZC/RC or three to approve before issuing new documents?

    Personally I prefer to stay out of the inner workings of the FTSC ... I don't know anymore why the lower-limit was set at 7 ... but if they decide to lower the limit then it is their balanced decision. As a ZC I try to stay out of that, Z2 is already way too politicized ... at least certain regions are (No, I didn't mention anything about R24 Germany, I refuse to mention any region specifically). Nick in the FTSC is a different thing, I promoted his membership as he knows his Fido-shit but we could use some more talent there ...

    I have no issues with the ZCC being/appointing a nominating committee but
    I can't really help you with candidates as I'm not closely following the goings on.

    Thank you for that, so there are 2 ZCs out of 4 seeing it that way.

    Nick, are you making it a majority? Or Manuel?

    The nominations deadline is February 20th ...

    I can query Z3 and see if there's any interest. The only
    person that comes to mind is Paul Hayton, he's at least enthusiastic
    enough to start and run his own othernet fairly recently.

    Every sysop is master on his/her own system, so if you are to query Paul then I could not object ... except for the fact that he is the single main problem in inter-zone echomail by stripping seen-by- and p@th-lines and causing problems downstream without concern for others...

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 10 2022
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sat Feb 12 17:47:42 2022
    On 12 Feb 22 13:56:42, Ward Dossche said the following to Scott Little:

    Thank you for that, so there are 2 ZCs out of 4 seeing it that way.

    Nick, are you making it a majority? Or Manuel?

    If the outcome is that:

    - This is to help the FTSC and therefore Fido by electing talent-first - demonstrated talent maintaining/writing FTN software, not general know-it-all talent the likes of Paul Hayton, lowercase Mark Lewis, "Oli" or Deon George.

    For example; Rob Swindell, James Coyle, Ozz Nixon, Dale Barnes, the Winpoint guy have demonstrated talent writing mailers and tossers. Having them as members cuts down the "noise factor" significantly by focusing on "tech".

    - That such elected talent will be to be either on stand-by to fix the
    wording of existing documents or document whatever new trend as a standard or proposal (ie. whats happening with embedded files in messages being
    discussed in Ftsc-public could be considered good merit for a proposal)

    - That such talent or anyone else involved will NOT usurp the FTSC to become the Standards Police.

    - That 7 members is unrealistic, unnecessary and should be reduced to 3 given what is being discussed.

    We do not need Hubs, past hubs, Hubs of othernets or politicians as FTSC members. We do need ZC's to oversee the FTSC to ensure it does not become the Standards Police.

    If these three conditions are met... then yes from me.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Sun Feb 13 10:52:12 2022
    Nick,

    - This is to help the FTSC and therefore Fido by electing talent-first - demonstrated talent maintaining/writing FTN software, not general know-it-all talent the likes of Paul Hayton, lowercase Mark Lewis, "Oli"
    or Deon George.

    For example; Rob Swindell, James Coyle, Ozz Nixon, Dale Barnes, the Winpoint guy have demonstrated talent writing mailers and tossers.
    Having them as members cuts down the "noise factor" significantly by focusing on "tech".

    Correct. I thought my wording went pretty much in that direction.

    - That such elected talent will be to be either on stand-by to fix the wording of existing documents or document whatever new trend as a
    standard or proposal (ie. whats happening with embedded files in
    messages being discussed in Ftsc-public could be considered good merit
    for a proposal)

    Correct.

    - That such talent or anyone else involved will NOT usurp the FTSC to become the Standards Police.

    Correct. That was already countered during the tenure of Michiel van der Vlist when he chaired the FTSC and mailed-around from his dedicated nodenumber to correct individuals and signed-off with "FTSC Chair".

    Andrew Leary is totally different...

    - That 7 members is unrealistic, unnecessary and should be reduced to 3 given what is being discussed.

    That was already privately discussed with Andrew and is up to the FTSC itself to deal with. He intends to take action ...

    We do not need Hubs, past hubs, Hubs of othernets or politicians as FTSC members. We do need ZC's to oversee the FTSC to ensure it does not become the Standards Police.

    That is exactly like close to 2 decades ago when I mentioned that the FTSC without the ZCs was nothing and requested access as observer...

    If these three conditions are met... then yes from me.

    I think we are in business then.

    Just so you know, I was already intending to have Rob Swindell nominated via my RC if this were to become a dead-end track, he already indicated willingness to me. It's so much better when this comes straight from the ZCC instead of from an obscure but willing RC in Z2.

    I've got mixed feelings about Ozz Nixon, his past tenure as an FTSC-member was mostly characterized by air. James Coyle 'yes' and Dale Barnes is already "in" the FTSC. Tim Schattkowski of WinPoint ... good suggestion, I'm affraid he will decline because he was out of it for a long time and only recently re-joined.

    I'll get in touch with James and Peter and query their feelings. If you're adamant about Ozz, I'll contact hem too ...

    Is that a good basis to continue?

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb 12 2022
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sun Feb 13 06:20:18 2022
    On 13 Feb 22 10:52:12, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'll get in touch with James and Peter and query their feelings. If you're adamant about Ozz, I'll contact hem too ...

    Ozz may not have the time to put into it, I'd pass on him.

    Is that a good basis to continue?

    Yes.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sat Mar 5 11:00:47 2022
    Re: Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election -
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Feb 10 2022 02:40 pm

    Carol,

    Don't know anout that but you weren't there at the Japan time as far as knew.

    I was not "where" during your Japan days?

    \%/@rd


    Sorry, been off the BBS for a bit.

    I do not recall seeing you post in the FTSC when I was in Japan. You probably were in the earlier ones but you seemed to 'go way' during that timeframe.

    xxcarol
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