31 Oct 2022 16:56, you wrote to All:

When and how did this happen? Both nets date back to the 1980s, and according to our Ukrainian Nodelist Server, both of them seem to have
been in the nodelist all this time:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Honestly I don't understand your question.

Yes, both nets where created in the late 80s, and they are the only "duplicate" ones that still remain.

BTW I asked here about it over a year ago...

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Tuesday November 15 2022 17:38, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Honestly I don't understand your question.

Yes, both nets where created in the late 80s, and they are the only "duplicate" ones that still remain.

No, they are not the only two nets that remain. There was a time, IIRC some ten years ago that all duplates net were gone. I wrote a Fidonews article about it. Search te Fidonews archive. With my hat of FTSC chairman I urged all RC's to avoid creating duplicates wehen (re)creating new nets. That was ignored by RC 15 who recreated net 301 that already existed in region 31. :(


Cheers, Michiel

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15 Nov 2022 18:20, you wrote to me:

No, they are not the only two nets that remain. There was a time, IIRC some ten years ago that all duplates net were gone. I wrote a Fidonews article about it. Search te Fidonews archive. With my hat of FTSC
chairman I urged all RC's to avoid creating duplicates wehen
(re)creating new nets. That was ignored by RC 15 who recreated net 301 that already existed in region 31. :(

Oops. I hadn't noticed that NodeHist shows when a normal node was removed from the nodelist, but it doesn't for /0 entries. Net 1:310 was recreated in nodelist.363 (2017).

I'll look for your article, thanks.

Carlos

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15 Nov 2022 17:38, I wrote to you:

When and how did this happen? Both nets date back to the 1980s,
and according to our Ukrainian Nodelist Server, both of them seem
to have been in the nodelist all this time:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Honestly I don't understand your question.

I know understand... (thanks Michiel)

It happened in December 2017 - net 1:310 reappeared in nodelist.363.

Carlos

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Carlos,

It happened in December 2017 - net 1:310 reappeared in nodelist.363.

And I asked ZC1 very courteously to examine the matter and have that RC try something else now that.

That was however towards the end of Janis' tenure and while we had some understanding nothing happened.

Nick as new ZC1 settled-in. I may have or may not have in turn asked Nick to come-up with a solution, but I can't recall what happened and the matter scrolled off the screen.

\%/@rd

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15 Nov 2022 20:26, I wrote to you:

No, they are not the only two nets that remain. There was a time,
IIRC some ten years ago that all duplates net were gone. I wrote
a Fidonews article about it. Search te Fidonews archive. With my
hat of FTSC chairman I urged all RC's to avoid creating
duplicates wehen (re)creating new nets. That was ignored by RC 15
who recreated net 301 that already existed in region 31. :(

[...]

I'll look for your article, thanks.

Found it:

FidoNews Volume 26, Number 15 - 13 Apr 2009
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWSQ15.ZIP

...and also, this one about regions:

FidoNews Volume 26, Number 16 - 20 Apr 2009
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWSQ16.ZIP

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Tuesday November 15 2022 22:20, you wrote to me:

I'll look for your article, thanks.

Found it:

[..]

...and also, this one about regions:

FidoNews Volume 26, Number 16 - 20 Apr 2009
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWSQ16.ZIP

Those are releated, but it is not the one I meant. The article in question was written when there were no duplicate nets left. So it must be later than 20 april 2009.


Cheers, Michiel

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16 Nov 2022 10:22, you wrote to me:

Those are releated, but it is not the one I meant. The article in
question was written when there were no duplicate nets left. So it
must be later than 20 april 2009.

Cannot find it. And I suppose you don't mean the one about the NADS.

I only found some related messages in this echo from March 2014, in a thread about "Seen-by stripping". You commented about the demise of net 1:250 and asked RCs and NCs not to create existing nets and net/node combinations.

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday November 17 2022 20:53, you wrote to me:

Those are releated, but it is not the one I meant. The article in
question was written when there were no duplicate nets left. So
it must be later than 20 april 2009.

Cannot find it. And I suppose you don't mean the one about the NADS.

I can not find it either and no, I do not mean the one about NADS.

So either my notoriously unreliable memory fails me and I did not write the article or we just failed to find it.

I only found some related messages in this echo from March 2014, in a thread about "Seen-by stripping". You commented about the demise of
net 1:250 and asked RCs and NCs not to create existing nets and
net/node combinations.

Hmmm.. Maybe that was what I had in mind.


Cheers, Michiel

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