• Re: Thoughts...

    From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Sun Jun 8 01:15:10 2025
    On 08 Jun 2025, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Gregory,

    You claim there's "no such thing as 'The American People'," as though a
    nation of 330 million strong, with a Constitution, a republic, and a vote, somehow doesn't count as a unified voice.

    330 million, If you say so.

    During the last Presidential elections Trump got 77,303,568 votes.
    That's less than 25% of 330 million and not even 50% of the popular vote.

    To me it seems that "The American People" are hardly unified but rather dramatically divided.

    \%/@rd

    Ward,

    You're right on one count America is divided. But that's nothing new. It's the tension between liberty and control, freedom and regulation, tradition and transformation. Some call it division; I call it democracy in motion.

    As for Trump's 77 million? That's the second-highest presidential vote count in history second only to Biden in the same race. Not bad for someone who's supposedly so divisive.

    You're counting heads; I'm watching hearts and hands move millions of Americans who show up, speak out, and refuse to be silenced.

    The American People aren't a monolith. We're not supposed to be. We're supposed to argue, disagree, and push hard that's the beauty of it. I'll take that any
    day over the illusion of unity under the thumb of quiet compliance.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jun 8 11:23:04 2025
    Gregory,

    As for Trump's 77 million? That's the second-highest presidential vote count in history second only to Biden in the same race. Not bad for
    someone who's supposedly so divisive.

    That's a hollow comparison. The population in the USA is growing so it would rather seem odd that total voting numbers go down ... there have been voting rights for women, voting rights for certain minorities, the massive influx of South Vietnamese refugess in the 70-ies...the number of eligible voters steadily increased.

    Numbers and statistics can be used to prove anything.

    The American People aren't a monolith. We're not supposed to be. We're supposed to argue, disagree, and push hard that's the beauty of it. I'll take that any
    day over the illusion of unity under the thumb of quiet compliance.

    I like America, Gregory, don't misunderstand me ... it's a way better place to live than Russia.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Sun Jun 8 12:48:55 2025
    The American People aren't a monolith. We're not supposed to be. We're supposed to argue, disagree, and push hard that's the beauty of it. I'l
    take that any
    day over the illusion of unity under the thumb of quiet compliance.

    I like America, Gregory, don't misunderstand me ... it's a way better place to live than Russia.
    That's Great.. Me Too.
    When you visit Montana, I would definitely keep things positive. :)

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Jun 8 22:48:19 2025
    Greg,

    When you visit Montana, I would definitely keep things positive. :)

    One of my life's rules is "You want to keep friends? Do not discuss politics nor religion".

    Several of my Montana friends are die-hard Trump supporters ... we don't let it get between us and enjoy the visits in either direction.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Sun Jun 8 22:32:48 2025
    On 08 Jun 2025, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Greg,

    When you visit Montana, I would definitely keep things positive. :)

    One of my life's rules is "You want to keep friends? Do not discuss politics nor religion".

    Several of my Montana friends are die-hard Trump supporters ... we don't let it get between us and enjoy the visits in either direction.
    Awesome, I'm glad.. Seriously.
    It's actually refreshing to read that this is the case.

    I'm all in for finding common ground, maybe we can too.

    Just because I consider myself to be an Ultra-Conservative does not mean that I'm a bad guy, and believe -me- you would want someone w/ my Conservative ideals in a gun-fight. Libs don't own guns - they are icky.
    All of my good friends are Trump Supporters, where We are like blood-bothers. Standing as One.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Jun 9 00:40:10 2025
    On 08 Jun 2025, Carol Shenkenberger said the following...

    Re: Re: Notice Removal of Alex Galiyev
    By: Gregory Deyss to Ward Dossche on Sat Jun 07 2025 01:19 pm


    Gregory, this is an international echo, not your personal soap box of politics ok?
    My Apologies Carol. Really I am. You're blaming the wrong guy. Yup.
    Allow me for a bit of redirection, this sits squarely w/ Alex Galiyev he is the one brought this to the international echo. Not me.

    Thanks,
    Greg

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Jun 9 01:01:33 2025
    Hello Carol!

    Monday June 09 2025 00:40, Gregory Deyss wrote to you:

    Allow me for a bit of redirection, this sits squarely w/ Alex Galiyev
    He is mentally ill. The best way to deal with him is to ignore him.

    Alex

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jun 9 03:42:00 2025
    Hello Ward!

    One of my life's rules is "You want to keep friends? Do not discuss politics nor religion".
    What kind of friends can you even have if you don't agree on the two things people fight about the most - politics and religion?

    This isn't friendship - it's coexistence. Shame on you, Ward. You shouldn't be involved in making any serious decisions.

    You cannot be a leader by all means.

    Alex

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alex Galiyev on Mon Jun 9 11:43:22 2025
    Alex,

    What kind of friends can you even have if you don't agree on the two
    things people fight about the most - politics and religion?

    This isn't friendship - it's coexistence. Shame on you, Ward. You
    shouldn't be involved in making any serious decisions.

    Because there is so much which unites us, rather than devides us. Life is too short to argue your time away ... Bjorn knows, Michiel knows, I know, Janis' husband knows, Clay Tannacore one day knew and you, sir, haven't got a clue.

    You cannot be a leader by all means.

    So a ZC is a leader? That's a new-one. On which planet have you been hiding?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jun 9 08:03:00 2025
    Hello Ward!

    Monday June 09 2025 11:43, you wrote to me:

    Because there is so much which unites us, rather than devides us. Life
    I agree with you - the West, including the U.S., is united, and we want to keep it that way. But we have enemies, like Russia - officially labeled a terrorist state by your EU Parliament.

    I'm not sure why you didn't exclude R50 from Z2 based on this fact alone.
    It's time to delist R50 from the nodelist, where 95% of the population are NAZIs. Don't you agree?

    is too short to argue your time away ... Bjorn knows, Michiel knows, I know, Janis' husband knows, Clay Tannacore one day knew and you, sir, haven't got a clue.
    Janis was the only reasonable LEADER (IC at that time) who agreed with me on this Barinov case - and now you're questioning it!?

    So a ZC is a leader? That's a new-one.
    If you think ZC is not a leadership position, then why did people vote for you? People vote for leaders.

    Look, I added you to my origin, and you'll always be there - until you stop destroying Fidonet with your total IGNORANCE.

    ACT LIKE A LEADER, PEOPLE VOTED FOR YOU!

    Alex

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  • From Atreyu@1:229/426 to Alex Galiyev on Mon Jun 9 14:19:54 2025
    On 09 Jun 25 03:42:00, Alex Galiyev said the following to Ward Dossche:

    What kind of friends can you even have if you don't agree on the two things people fight about the most - politics and religion?

    Those two things almost never come up in conversations with my friends, some of which have been close for years.

    Nick

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Atreyu on Mon Jun 9 17:26:55 2025
    Hello Atreyu!

    Monday June 09 2025 14:19, you wrote to me:

    What kind of friends can you even have if you don't agree on the
    two things people fight about the most - politics and religion?
    Those two things almost never come up in conversations with my
    friends, some of which have been close for years.
    So, when no common values are shared, this isn't friendship - it's co-existence. =)

    Aristotle:
    "Perfect friendship is the friendship of men who are good, and alike in virtue: they wish well to each other for the sake of the other."
    Interpretation: True friendship is grounded in shared virtue (shared moral values).

    Alex

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alex Galiyev on Tue Jun 10 14:46:56 2025
    Alex,

    I agree with you - the West, including the U.S., is united, and we want
    to keep it that way. But we have enemies, like Russia - officially
    labeled a terrorist state by your EU Parliament.

    At the moment the United States has become another type of enemy.

    I'm not sure why you didn't exclude R50 from Z2 based on this fact alone.

    There's no technical justification for it ...

    Janis was the only reasonable LEADER (IC at that time) who agreed with me on this Barinov case - and now you're questioning it!?

    Janis was never-jamais IC and at some point at the time of the Fidonews-coup was the head-gangster of the Star-system. That's now all water under the bridge.

    So a ZC is a leader? That's a new-one.
    If you think ZC is not a leadership position, then why did people vote
    for you? People vote for leaders.

    I wish a paper-manufacturer would produce toilet paper which I could run through my printer so I could wipe my behind with your words if only I wait long enough for the ink to dry ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alex Galiyev on Tue Jun 10 15:39:22 2025
    Alex Galiyev -> Ward Dossche skrev 2025-06-09 14:03:
    If you think ZC is not a leadership position, then why did people vote
    for you? People vote for leaders.

    Why do I get the feeling, that you have not read my recent article in the Fidonews...?

    --

    Conning people is easy. You just need to overcome their intelligence. But convincing people they've been conned is much harder. You need to overcome their pride.

    ..

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Nigel Reed on Tue Jun 10 18:19:43 2025


    On 10 Jun 2025, Nigel Reed said the following...

    On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 23:51:08 -0400
    "Carol Shenkenberger" (1:275/100) <Carol.Shenkenberger@f100.n275.z1.fidonet> wrote:

    Re: Re: Notice Removal of Alex Galiyev
    By: Gregory Deyss to Ward Dossche on Sat Jun 07 2025 01:19 pm


    Gregory, this is an international echo, not your personal soap box of politics ok?

    xxcarol\
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    Who made Carol boss of FN_SYSOP?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this echo doesn't official exist, having expired on Apr 15 2018, according to ELIST.
    It's ok I already apologized, even though it was not me who brought this here to the international echo, and I did explain in a message to Carol who did.

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Björn Felten on Wed Jun 11 00:32:03 2025
    Hello Bjrn!

    Tuesday June 10 2025 15:39, you wrote to me:

    Why do I get the feeling, that you have not read my recent article
    in the Fidonews...?
    Once you fix the spelling of your name to match the one in your nodelist, I will for sure. =)

    "Bjrn Felten" doesn't make any sense.

    Alex

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Alex Galiyev on Wed Jun 11 23:03:51 2025
    Alex Galiyev -> Björn Felten skrev 2025-06-11 06:32:
    Once you fix the spelling of your name to match the one in your
    nodelist, I will for sure. =)

    What the copulation does your incompetence with handling proper character sets have to do with reading the Fidonews? Is that a mature, adult way to act?

    Björn Felten is my real name, not the crippled version that someone insists on puting there.

    Is YOUR proper name in the nodelist? Or should it be Алекс Галиев?

    --

    Conning people is easy. You just need to overcome their intelligence. But convincing people they've been conned is much harder. You need to overcome their pride.

    ..

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Bj÷rn Felten on Wed Jun 11 17:37:36 2025
    Hello Bjrn!

    Wednesday June 11 2025 23:03, you wrote to me:

    What the copulation does your incompetence with handling proper character sets have to do with reading the Fidonews? Is that a mature, adult way to act?
    Should I install charset for everyone's name I can't read anyways? =)

    Björn Felten is my real name, not the crippled version that
    BjHrn?

    Is YOUR proper name in the nodelist? Or should it be Алекс Галиев?
    I can't read it =))

    Alex

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alex Galiyev on Thu Jun 12 06:53:26 2025
    Alex Galiyev -> Bjrn Felten skrev 2025-06-11 23:37:
    Should I install charset for everyone's name I can't read anyways? =)

    I can't read it =))

    Your incompetence is overwhelming.


    --

    Conning people is easy. You just need to overcome their intelligence. But convincing people they've been conned is much harder. You need to overcome their pride.

    ..

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  • From Alex Galiyev@1:129/14.1 to Björn Felten on Thu Jun 12 01:47:03 2025
    Hello Bjrn!

    Thursday June 12 2025 06:53, you wrote to me:

    I can't read it =))
    Your incompetence is overwhelming.
    Whatever you think, Bjrn <<< what the hell is this? 8-)
    Change your name to latin characters to be a nodelist compliant.

    Alex

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