Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Mindsurfer to Digital Man on Thu Oct 23 2025 02:37 am

Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Digital Man to Mindsurfer on Wed Oct 22 2025 12:35:44

Unfortunately, the ANSI cursor positioning trick isn't really going
to work for non-ANSI terminals, so I wouldn't encourage it. --

but do we want non ansi terminals connecting to our bbses?
i dont
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Re: How do you edit msg files
By: MRO to Mindsurfer on Thu Oct 23 2025 00:22:21

Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Mindsurfer to Digital Man on Thu Oct 23 2025 02:37 am

Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Digital Man to Mindsurfer on Wed Oct 22 2025 12:35:44

Unfortunately, the ANSI cursor positioning trick isn't really going to
work for non-ANSI terminals, so I wouldn't encourage it. --

but do we want non ansi terminals connecting to our bbses? i dont

well, i haven't really thought that through. I guess thats a decision every sysop has to make for him/herself at one point. to break the backwards compability or not. That would mean, if you want to have any kind of ansi animation, that would be problematic for non-ansi terminal users?

what do you think would come out if we would create a statistic for non-Ansi/Ansi Terminal use? Who would actually want to or have to use a non-Ansi terminal?

Mindsurfer

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Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Mindsurfer to MRO on Thu Oct 23 2025 11:33 am

every sysop has to make for him/herself at one point. to break the
backwards compability or not. That would mean, if you want to have
any kind of ansi animation, that would be problematic for non-ansi
terminal users?

what do you think would come out if we would create a statistic
for non-Ansi/Ansi Terminal use? Who would actually want to or have
to use a non-Ansi terminal?

Mindsurfer

you're overthinking it. fuck those guys with no ansi terminals.

You can also just make a file to show ansi users and one where it doesnt.

Most likely those non ansi terminal users are bots hitting your system.
In your logon screen put in a link for syncterm and other terminal clients so real people can get a client that supports ansi.
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Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Mindsurfer to MRO on Thu Oct 23 2025 11:33 am

what do you think would come out if we would create a statistic for non-Ansi/Ansi Terminal use? Who would actually want to or have to use a non-Ansi terminal?

Retro computer character sets like PETSCII will be non-ANSI, and Synchronet supports PETSCII... that's the most likely one I can think of off-hand.
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Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Deuce to Mindsurfer on Thu Oct 23 2025 13:29:43

what do you think would come out if we would create a statistic for
non-Ansi/Ansi Terminal use? Who would actually want to or have to use a
non-Ansi terminal?

Retro computer character sets like PETSCII will be non-ANSI, and Synchronet supports PETSCII... that's the most likely one I can think of off-hand.

yep, synchronet (devs) has to maintain that compatibility, because it is part of the feature set.. A sysop can decide if he/she wants to kick compatibility and support Ansi only. 2 different perspectives

For now i keep up the compatibility until i decide otherwise =)

but it is extra effort as a sysop, that you do for a very small sub-group of an already small group. so.. i'll see.

or you offer an extra command shell in your BBS, just for the non-Ansi guys and keep on going full Ansi with your default command shell.


Mindsurfer

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Re: How do you edit msg files
By: Mindsurfer to MRO on Thu Oct 23 2025 11:33 am

well, i haven't really thought that through. I guess thats a decision every sysop has to make for him/herself at one point. to break the backwards compability or not. That would mean, if you want to have any kind of ansi animation, that would be problematic for non-ansi terminal users?

Unless you're using Ctrl-A codes or some other form of abstraction, yes, it's problematic for non-ANSI users.

what do you think would come out if we would create a statistic for non-Ansi/Ansi Terminal use? Who would actually want to or have to use a non-Ansi terminal?

PETSCII terminals are pretty widely used and I think Nelgin and Deuce are working on some BBC Micro terminal support. These are 2 examples of non-ANSI terminals that user actually use. There's more: ATASCII, VT52, ... but Synchronet does not (yet) support them.
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