Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> writes:

This past summer was a good time to lower the power bill and overall temperature of the den by transitioning to rpi's for my computing
needs. The main pc was replaced by a pi400. Lovely, silent, low
power. Lovely.

Well, mostly so. I really don't like the keyboard and question why they
went with it. The full sized keyboard is something I miss, you know,
with the full row of function keys, dedicated number pad, full sized
arrows, the pageup.down,insert,delete cluster. The keys themselves suck
- where they often fail to register key presses and I have to fix
spelling quite often. I had hoped that the keys would wear in and solve
the problem, but it really just seems to be bad design. Hopes are it's
simply bad luck and a bad keyboard.

The problem is easy to solve by plugging in a usb keyboard, but it
defeats the appeal and purpose of the all-in-one design.

How hard would it be to rig the mobo into a full size keyboard shell?
Design a new lower shell of a chosen keyboard to accomodate the mobo and
port holes for 3d printing. A search online didn't yield evidence that
it has been done yet. But if this thing with it's massive heat sync can
fit in this small keyboard, it shouldn't have issues fitting in full
sized keybord.

Found a teardown video and saw a custom ribbon cable utilized to connect
the keyboard to the mobo - so that's a complication. After a bit of searching, they utilized one of the four usb ports in the hub for the keyboard logic.

Has anyone managed a similar project with the experience to share?

Daniel

Wellp, glad I didn't very far on my homebrew pi400 project. Now that
they quietly released the Pi500, I'll be focusing on that now.

I still have to watch the youtube reviews of it.

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"Jonathan B. Horen" <jbhoren@gmail.com> writes:

On 12/10/24 17:48, Daniel wrote:

Wellp, glad I didn't very far on my homebrew pi400 project. Now that
they quietly released the Pi500, I'll be focusing on that now.
I still have to watch the youtube reviews of it.

I read Jeff Geerling's recent write-up on it (https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/pi-500-much-faster-lacks-m2)
as a "mixed review", and would be wary of investing even the $120 for
one (the kit, or $90 for the standalone). YMMV

Jeff's review was the first one I watched, and currently watching the tearapart. From appearances they utilized a better keyboard than the
crap on the Pi400. And if this is the case, my homebrew project won't be
going anywhere.

I'll be ordering the standalone when someone has them in stock. Right
now, I can't find a vendor who has it available.

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Jonathan B. Horen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Now that they quietly released the Pi500, I'll be focusing on that

now.

I read Jeff Geerling's recent write-up on it (https:// www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/pi-500-much-faster-lacks-m2) as a "mixed review", and would be wary of investing even the $120 for one (the kit,
or $90 for the standalone).

Presumably, before too long there will be a Pi5x0 where the M.2 socket
and associated components are fitted.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Jonathan B. Horen wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Now that they quietly released the Pi500, I'll be focusing on that

now.

I read Jeff Geerling's recent write-up on it (https://
www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/pi-500-much-faster-lacks-m2) as a
"mixed review", and would be wary of investing even the $120 for one
(the kit, or $90 for the standalone).

Presumably, before too long there will be a Pi5x0 where the M.2 socket
and associated components are fitted.

I was wondering why it was ommitted on initial release, and the only
thing that came to mind was, they hadn't finalized its design and wanted
this initial version out for xmas.

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

He assumed they'll release a pro version with the socket populated and
powered.

There also seemed to be an area on the main board with poe
considerations, which would be dope. The switches on my network have poe capabilities so that would make my day.

The device isn't in stock anywhere yet, so I will hold off a few months
and get it in the spring.

D

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Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has
bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has
bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no engineer.

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On 11/12/2024 16:46, Daniel wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced >>> in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has
bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked
relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no engineer.

Why would you put support chips on if you were not going to install an
M.2 socket anyway?

I think he called it right in that this is a bare bones model, and more upmarket versions will emerge in due course.

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2024 16:46, Daniel wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced >>> in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has
bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked
relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no engineer.

Why would you put support chips on if you were not going to install an
M.2 socket anyway?

I think he called it right in that this is a bare bones model, and more upmarket versions will emerge in due course.

Looking at: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-m2-socket-install.jpg
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-pcb-bottom.jpeg

I think there's a MOSFET and some decoupling capacitors missing (to the left
of the middle larger hole), so the power isn't connected. There may be a
pair of missing capacitors in series with the PCIe lane, but I can't immediately see the footprints for those.

Theo

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2024 16:46, Daniel wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has >> bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked
relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no engineer.

Why would you put support chips on if you were not going to install an
M.2 socket anyway?

I think he called it right in that this is a bare bones model, and more upmarket versions will emerge in due course.

Looking at: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-m2-socket-install.jpg
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-pcb-bottom.jpeg

I think there's a MOSFET and some decoupling capacitors missing (to the left of the middle larger hole), so the power isn't connected. There may be a pair of missing capacitors in series with the PCIe lane, but I can't immediately see the footprints for those.

Ah, I see them now. To the right of the spot on the silver chip are four
tiny spots for passives, oriented at compass bearing 135 degrees. I can't
tell from the photo or video whether they're populated or not, but those
will be the series capacitors.

Theo

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Re: Re: Homebrew pi400
By: Daniel to Daniel on Mon Dec 02 2024 17:03:16

...I have to fix spelling quite often.

Go on any social media site. Nobody would notice, unfortunately. Glad to see someboy still bothers to do it, though.
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On 2024-12-11, nospam.Mortar.M.@f1.n770.z1205.fidonet.org (Mortar M.) <nospam.Mortar.M> wrote:

Re: Re: Homebrew pi400
By: Daniel to Daniel on Mon Dec 02 2024 17:03:16

...I have to fix spelling quite often.

Go on any social media site. Nobody would notice, unfortunately.
Glad to see someboy still bothers to do it, though.

^^^^^^^
Making a spelling mistake while discussing spelling
is a most frustrating thing. :-)

BTDTGTS (been there, done that, got the scars)

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2024 16:46, Daniel wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket
hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has >> > >> bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked >> > >> relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no >> > > engineer.

Why would you put support chips on if you were not going to install an
M.2 socket anyway?

I think he called it right in that this is a bare bones model, and more
upmarket versions will emerge in due course.

Looking at:
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-m2-socket-install.jpg
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-pcb-bottom.jpeg

I think there's a MOSFET and some decoupling capacitors missing (to the left >> of the middle larger hole), so the power isn't connected. There may be a
pair of missing capacitors in series with the PCIe lane, but I can't
immediately see the footprints for those.

Ah, I see them now. To the right of the spot on the silver chip are four tiny spots for passives, oriented at compass bearing 135 degrees. I can't tell from the photo or video whether they're populated or not, but those
will be the series capacitors.

Theo

I'm going to wait for someone to hack a working solution then copy
it.

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On 13/12/2024 23:55, Daniel wrote:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2024 16:46, Daniel wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket >>>>>>> hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has >>>>>> bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked >>>>>> relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no >>>>> engineer.

Why would you put support chips on if you were not going to install an >>>> M.2 socket anyway?

I think he called it right in that this is a bare bones model, and more >>>> upmarket versions will emerge in due course.

Looking at:
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-m2-socket-install.jpg
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-pcb-bottom.jpeg

I think there's a MOSFET and some decoupling capacitors missing (to the left
of the middle larger hole), so the power isn't connected. There may be a >>> pair of missing capacitors in series with the PCIe lane, but I can't
immediately see the footprints for those.

Ah, I see them now. To the right of the spot on the silver chip are four
tiny spots for passives, oriented at compass bearing 135 degrees. I can't >> tell from the photo or video whether they're populated or not, but those
will be the series capacitors.

Theo

I'm going to wait for someone to hack a working solution then copy
it.

Wait for the Pi 501...with it all one the board already

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

On 13/12/2024 23:55, Daniel wrote:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes:

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/12/2024 16:46, Daniel wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

Daniel wrote:

Jeff did a teardown on his second channel and soldered a m.2 socket >>>>>>>> hoping it was properly designed. He found the power lines weren't traced
in so no power.

There were some nearby component missing too, maybe the Rev1 board has >>>>>>> bugs, and they need a Rev2 (or whatever) but his soldering job looked >>>>>>> relatively clumsy (bridged pins etc).

Yeah, it was pretty bad, at least he was honest about it.

I am sure things were missing to keep the circuitry disabled and I'm no >>>>>> engineer.

Why would you put support chips on if you were not going to install an >>>>> M.2 socket anyway?

I think he called it right in that this is a bare bones model, and more >>>>> upmarket versions will emerge in due course.

Looking at:
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-m2-socket-install.jpg
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/pi-500-pcb-bottom.jpeg

I think there's a MOSFET and some decoupling capacitors missing (to the left
of the middle larger hole), so the power isn't connected. There may be a >>>> pair of missing capacitors in series with the PCIe lane, but I can't
immediately see the footprints for those.

Ah, I see them now. To the right of the spot on the silver chip are four >>> tiny spots for passives, oriented at compass bearing 135 degrees. I can't >>> tell from the photo or video whether they're populated or not, but those >>> will be the series capacitors.

Theo

I'm going to wait for someone to hack a working solution then copy
it.

Wait for the Pi 501...with it all one the board already

I've heard rumor of it but is this confirmed?

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On 15/12/2024 21:11, Daniel wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

On 13/12/2024 23:55, Daniel wrote:

I'm going to wait for someone to hack a working solution then copy
it.

Wait for the Pi 501...with it all one the board already

I've heard rumor of it but is this confirmed?

I was actually semi-joking.

But the demand for a fast Pi with nvme in a neat package is there all
right.

Although I have to say last night in a moment of idle curiosity I looked
up the prices of used HP desktop machines with more grunt than a pi and
they are, including case and power supply, going for less than I could
buy a Pi setup for...


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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 15/12/2024 21:11, Daniel wrote:

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

On 13/12/2024 23:55, Daniel wrote:

I'm going to wait for someone to hack a working solution then copy
it.

Wait for the Pi 501...with it all one the board already

I've heard rumor of it but is this confirmed?

I was actually semi-joking.

But the demand for a fast Pi with nvme in a neat package is there all
right.

Success: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/pi-modder-successfully-adds-m2-slot-pi-500

Four capacitors (as I suspected) plus external 3.3V power, or adding extra components for a 3.3V SMPSU:

Twitter thread from the guy who did it (using login wall bypass): https://xcancel.com/ChoptecOfficial/status/1868350222671478982

Parts list from https://samuelhedrick.com/res/Pi500_M.2_mod_parts.csv

Digi-Key Part Number,Quantity 1,Customer Reference,Description 123A-58M01,1,J1,CONN M.2 (NGFF) SOCKET 67POS
AP3441SHE-7B,1,"U1",IC REG BUCK ADJ 3A UDFN20208
MLZ2012M2R2HT000,1,"L1",FIXED IND 2.2UH 600MA 160MOHM SM ERJ-1GNF2201C,1,"R1",RES SMD 2.2K OHM 1% 1/20W 0201
ERJ-1GNF1002C,1,"R2",RES SMD 10K OHM 1% 1/20W 0201
ERJ-1GNF1003C,1,"R3",RES SMD 100K OHM 1% 1/20W 0201 GRM0335C1H220JA01D,1,"C1",CAP CER 22PF 50V C0G/NP0 0201 GRM188R60J476ME15D,1,"C2",CAP CER 47UF 6.3V X5R 0603
CL21A476MQYNNNE,1,"C3",CAP CER 47UF 6.3V X5R 0805
CL03A104KQ3NNNC,4,"C4 C5 C6 C7",CAP CER 0.1UF 6.3V X5R 0201

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On 25/09/2025 08:39, Andy Burns wrote:

On 11/12/2024 Andy Burns wrote:

Presumably, before too long there will be a Pi5x0 where the M.2 socket
and associated components are fitted.

Pi500+ now available, 16GB RAM, 256GB M.2 and much nicer keyboard

Apart from the teeny keycap legends,

<https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus>

and a price above many a desktop PC. :-(

Nonetheless its a nice bit of kit and because the OS is preinstalled, it competes with winders.


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On 9/25/25 10:58, Andy Burns wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

<https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus>

and a price above many a desktop PC. :-(

I can see a compute stick with 1/4 the RAM and 1/4 the SSD for œ20 less,
but not much else.

Nonetheless its a nice bit of kit and because the OS is preinstalled,
it competes with winders.

I might consider getting one for my brother ...

Loads of Beelink type N100s cheaper.

Armbian on the oPi5 is getting much more stable, and there is a new,
much faster version oPi rumoured. Potentially, kit that will have a more stable OS to begin with. Presumably due to the oPi getting a kicking for having poor software support.

I wouldn't buy anything rPi at the moment.

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On 25/09/2025 10:58, Andy Burns wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

<https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus>

and a price above many a desktop PC. :-(

I can see a compute stick with 1/4 the RAM and 1/4 the SSD for œ20
less, but not much else.

https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus

Nonetheless its a nice bit of kit and because the OS is
preinstalled, it competes with winders.

I might consider getting one for my brother ...

I instantly said to myself 'VIC 20'

I sport of love it, But regretfully it doesn't make sense for me

ExplainingComputers has a nice YouTube review - its fast enough for full
HD streaming at less than 6W...

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:

On 11/12/2024 Andy Burns wrote:

Presumably, before too long there will be a Pi5x0 where the M.2
socket and associated components are fitted.

Pi500+ now available, 16GB RAM, 256GB M.2 and much nicer keyboard

<https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus>

I'm seriously considering it, only found out about it the other
day. Incidentally i was considering doing a jimmy rig of a wireless full keyboard with a 3d printed bottom shell for my pi500. The pi400 is long
gone. I took the mobo out and ceremoniously destroyed the keyboard. It's
dust.

The 500's keyboard is 90% better. THe spacebar is still a hunk of shit.

I'm sort of nervous that the 500+'s spacebar is junk. Will it register a keypress if the thumb hits it on the far side? I don't know.

I do like the nvme addition. If you read the most current copy of
raspberry pi magazine, they go into detail about it, as well as an
interview with the engineers who designed it.

What bugs me is their intention to customize their keycaps and insist on
a custom power button that most other keycap replacements lack. That,
and nonstandard buttons for led controls, etc.

They brag about being able to replace the keys, but can't replace them
all. The enter key is also non-standard and replacement keys have to be fenagled to fit right.

I sort of hesitate on getting the 500+. I saw somewhere a kit can be
installed under the keys to make them less clacky. Any truth to that?

D



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On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 09:22:11 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

Daniel wrote:

The enter key is also non-standard

At least it's ISO shaped.

When will the rPi 500++ come out with in-built RTC battery and PoE?

I was a bit surprised to find NO mention of the RTC in the 500+'s data
sheet.

Currently I am running a Pi4 with an RTC backed up with a fairly tiny supercapacitor. I read a claim (which I have not independently verified)
that the supercapacitor can keep my clock running accurately for a month
or longer with no external power applied.

When the Pi5 was first introduced, both lithium battery and supercapacitor options were discussed for RTC backup, but since then I've read close to nothing of the supercapacitor option.

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Apart from the teeny keycap legends,

<https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-500-plus>

and a price above many a desktop PC. :-(

$200 what kind of Intel desktop PC you can get for this money, outside mini PCs that yeah... similar performance actually but different platform and design goals and purpose.

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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