• Re: Oprah Pay

    From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Nov 12 08:18:16 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    I don't believe it. Oprah has always been supportive of Democrats
    running for president. Now this time we're supposed to believe that the billionaire did it for a measly $1 million dollars?

    Well, they was paid $5 million, but only donated $4 back to the Dems. :)

    No way. And why does Fox News want us to believe this?

    Because Fox News is well known controlled opposition. They are no more trustworthy than the rest of the Propaganda Ministry.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Nov 12 08:03:30 2024
    I don't believe it. Oprah has always been supportive of Democrats running for president. Now this time we're supposed to believe that t billionaire did it for a measly $1 million dollars?

    Well, they was paid $5 million, but only donated $4 back to the Dems. :)

    No way. And why does Fox News want us to believe this?

    Because Fox News is well known controlled opposition. They are no more trustworthy than the rest of the Propaganda Ministry.

    I get it that Fox News is controlled opposition. They are trying to make us think that they (Fox News) are our friend because they exposed a big secret about Oprah's relationship with the Democrats. But in reality, they're playing down Oprah's commitment to Democrats.

    If anyone's being paid for anything, it's probably Oprah paying Fox News to publish that story, because it takes focus away from the fact that the world's richest billionaires wanted Kamala in office, and they don't want people to analyze that information.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Nov 12 10:46:00 2024
    I don't believe it. Oprah has always been supportive of Democrats running for president. Now this time we're supposed to believe that the billionaire did it
    for a measly $1 million dollars?

    I believe it for the reason you gave above... she has always supported them
    and I am guessing she'd have done it for a lot less if she thought Harris
    could have kept Trump from winning.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 13 08:02:22 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    If anyone's being paid for anything, it's probably Oprah paying Fox
    News to publish that story, because it takes focus away from the fact
    that the world's richest billionaires wanted Kamala in office, and they don't want people to analyze that information.

    Distraction is what the Propaganda Ministry is for.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Nov 13 09:42:00 2024
    I get it that Fox News is controlled opposition. They are trying to make us think that they (Fox News) are our friend because they exposed a big secret about Oprah's relationship with the Democrats. But in reality, they're
    laying
    down Oprah's commitment to Democrats.

    That story has been all over, and it isn't just Oprah. Apparently,
    multiple celebrities were promised payment for not jumping ship after Biden dropped out.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 14 05:34:16 2024
    I don't believe it. Oprah has always been supportive of Democrats runnin president. Now this time we're supposed to believe that the billionaire it
    for a measly $1 million dollars?

    I believe it for the reason you gave above... she has always supported them and I am guessing she'd have done it for a lot less if she thought Harris could have kept Trump from winning.

    I hope Harris is happy with her purchase.

    Now it would be interesting to see how much the celebrities for Trump were paid. Danicka Patrick, the racecar driver, said she spoke on Trump's behalf for free. It's likely that they all did it for free (to help save the country.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 14 07:32:12 2024
    about Oprah's relationship with the Democrats. But in reality, they're
    laying
    down Oprah's commitment to Democrats.

    That story has been all over, and it isn't just Oprah. Apparently, multiple celebrities were promised payment for not jumping ship after Biden dropped out.

    That sounds believable. I'm not sure what the difference is between Joe and Kamala though. Why would any of them jump ship just because one Hungarian puppet was replaced with a newer one?

    There were way more "celebrities for Biden" in 2020 than there were this time around. So if the celebs are all just paid advertisements, then the world's elite spent a lot less money this time for some reason.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Nov 14 10:14:00 2024
    I believe it for the reason you gave above... she has always supported them and I am guessing she'd have done it for a lot less if she thought Harris could have kept Trump from winning.

    I hope Harris is happy with her purchase.

    Per the articles, they had to pay the celebs and now they are not able to
    pay their bills. I would Harris is not too happy about that considering
    the outcome.

    Now it would be interesting to see how much the celebrities for Trump were paid. Danicka Patrick, the racecar driver, said she spoke on Trump's behalf fo
    free. It's likely that they all did it for free (to help save the country.)

    It would be interesting. Some of them, like Musk, could be said to have
    done so to get a job in his cabinet. Others, like Danica, have always been pretty vocal about their beliefs and probably did do it free.

    I personally would like to know if any of the DNC paid celebs are talk show hosts (i.e. the View) or frequent panelists on "news" shows (like on MSNBC).
    I would also like to know if any of these same people were also paid in
    2020.

    Back to Trump, my guess would be if there are any paid folks, they probably have YT or Rumble channels, or podcasts, with lots of followers and lots of Twitter/X posts.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 14 08:56:30 2024
    I personally would like to know if any of the DNC paid celebs are talk show hosts (i.e. the View) or frequent panelists on "news" shows (like
    on MSNBC). I would also like to know if any of these same people were
    also paid in 2020.

    Right. Why would they have to pay Oprah $1 million dollars while the TV shows seemingly do it for free every single day?

    Back to Trump, my guess would be if there are any paid folks, they probably have YT or Rumble channels, or podcasts, with lots of followers and lots of Twitter/X posts.

    I doubt that Trump paid any celebrities. There were very few celebrities at the Trump rallies, other than current and former members of government.

    The people waking up (like the ones who helped us in our red wave) are too smart to listen to celebrities anymore. (And the ones who are still stupid are just the ones in the northeast and on the far west coast.)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Nov 15 09:51:00 2024
    That story has been all over, and it isn't just Oprah. Apparently, multiple celebrities were promised payment for not jumping ship after Biden dropped out.

    That sounds believable. I'm not sure what the difference is between Joe and Kamala though. Why would any of them jump ship just because one Hungarian puppet was replaced with a newer one?

    Not sure. It could be that they were being paid to begin with, but that
    the news only came out because the Harris campaign has gone broke.

    Back to Trump, my guess would be if there are any paid folks, they probably have YT or Rumble channels, or podcasts, with lots of followers and lots of Twitter/X posts.

    I doubt that Trump paid any celebrities. There were very few celebrities at
    h
    Trump rallies, other than current and former members of government.

    Being at rallies, and being paid to say things in your videos, podcasts, or
    on social media are two different things.

    The people waking up (like the ones who helped us in our red wave) are too smart to listen to celebrities anymore. (And the ones who are still stupid
    re
    just the ones in the northeast and on the far west coast.)

    Trump supposedly got fewer votes this time than in 2020. Maybe not so much
    a red wave coming in as a Harris wave never forming.

    On a quasi-related topic, I have been having a discussion on another
    network with someone who believes that, in 2020, the stringpullers either wanted Biden (or not Trump) so Biden won. This time, they either didn't
    want Harris, or wanted Trump, so that is why Trump won. Either way, the fix was in for both elections.

    I hope that is not the case but you never know.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 15 14:25:56 2024
    On a quasi-related topic, I have been having a discussion on another network with someone who believes that, in 2020, the stringpullers either wanted Biden (or not Trump) so Biden won. This time, they either didn't want Harris, or wanted Trump, so that is why Trump won. Either way, the fix was in for both elections.

    I hope that is not the case but you never know.

    I've considered the possibility that the world elite aka "stringpullers" might want the USA to build up their credit again, since Biden ruined us financially. After Trump does that, they'll come back in to milk it again.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 15 13:51:20 2024
    since Biden ruined us financially

    Based on what?

    The American economy is "the envy of the world" today. That has been the case since the Biden administration pulled to USA out of the mess left behind from the economy left behind by the Trump administration.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 15 20:21:30 2024
    since Biden ruined us financially

    Based on what?

    The American economy is "the envy of the world" today. That has been the case since the Biden administration pulled to USA out of the mess left behind from the economy left behind by the Trump administration.

    He ruined us by borrowing record amounts of money, with no plan to pay it back. The USA has always been "the envy of the world." Biden didn't make that happen.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 16 11:10:52 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Alan Ianson skrev 2024-11-16 04:21:
    The USA has always been "the envy of the world."

    Who told you that?

    It sure as hell was nobody from abroad. The world looked in horror as you elected a con artist known for bankrupting not one but two casinos and more enterprises -- just because he was famous from TV!

    And now you've even done it again. You *do* know what they say about repeating a mistake and expecting a different outcome?

    Now, the world is preparing for another outbreak of COVID when anti-vaxxers take over and make the USA a super-spreader again.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 16 08:20:58 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I've considered the possibility that the world elite aka
    "stringpullers" might want the USA to build up their credit again,
    since Biden ruined us financially. After Trump does that, they'll come back in to milk it again.

    That would not surprise me in the least.

    The "stringpullers" tend to play the long game - generations.

    Look at England right now. Nearly all the land is owned by the Elitists. So if you want to start a business, you basically have to get their permission to rent some of their land.

    Now look at what's been happening here in the U.S. with places like Blackrock buying up property. It won't happen in our life time, but if that continues we "will own nothing and be happy."


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sat Nov 16 09:32:38 2024
    It sure as hell was nobody from abroad. The world looked in horror as
    you elected a con artist known for bankrupting not one but two casinos
    and more enterprises -- just because he was famous from TV!

    I'm not buying your sad story for several reasons.
    Don't think others should either.
    Your just a political agitator, who suffers from TDS.

    I will break down my disagreement in Two Parts
    1. World Horror? - Hardly
    2. Bankruptcy Attempting to attach shame.

    Your description of the world reacted in horror is empty and incomplete.
    Are you referring to World Leaders because from I can see it was congratulatory.

    From 11/06/2024

    1. World Horror? - Hardly

    France's centrist President Emmanuel Macron offered congratulations, respect and ambition.

    Social democratic German Chancellor Olaf Scholz congratulated Trump and said he wanted continued close ties, even if surely many things will be different under a Donald Trump-led administration.
    The German Chancellor went on to say that Germany will remain a reliable transatlantic partner.

    Prime Minister of Sweden Ulf Kristersson said
    I have full respect for the fact that the United States thinks that Russia is very much an issue for Europe, Europe's security which we cannot abstain from and hope that the US for Europe, to put squarely.
    more can be found at: https://tinyurl.com/2uuhtpkb

    Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni, whose far
    right-led government is in some ways close to Trump politically, said Italy and the U.S. had a strategic bond, which I am sure we will now strengthen even more.

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen stressed that the EU and the U.S. are bound by a true partnership between our people, uniting 800 million citizens. Let us work together on a transatlantic partnership that
    continues to deliver for our citizens.

    They threatened him with prison, they took his property, they wanted to kill him and he still won, said Hungary's nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orb n, who will hold a summit in Budapest for some 50 European leaders on Thursday.

    2. Bankruptcy Attempting to attach shame.

    Donald Trump has no personal bankruptcies however several of his hotel, resort, and casino businesses have been reorganized under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy laws. This is similar to a Chapter 13 bankruptcy that is typically used by an individual.

    https://www.actionadvocacy.com/famous-president-bankruptcies/
    Past Presidents who have had bankruptcies include
    Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, William Henry Harrison, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, William Mckinley and Harry S. Truman
    Famous CEOS have also declared it also Walt Disney and Milton Hershey did they simply give up and fold? Of course not they came back were ultimately successful, just like Donald John Trump. Get Over yourself.

    And now you've even done it again. You *do* know what they say about repeating a mistake and expecting a different outcome?
    America has had Trump before and it was prosperous Nation
    (until covid happened) The state of the Union was strong to spite the stupid impeachments of which he was acquitted from in both.
    Biden has been weak on several fronts International Stage and here at home.
    We were all told that he was strong and vital and hard to keep up with it was all a mirage and the world knows this as the collective truth.
    Just as they can be assured that the Next four years will mean prosperity for the United States and it's citizens. or simply put MAGA.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Sat Nov 16 17:05:52 2024
    The USA has always been "the envy of the world."

    Who told you that?

    It sure as hell was nobody from abroad. The world looked in horror as you elected a con artist known for bankrupting not one but two casinos
    and more enterprises -- just because he was famous from TV!

    Oh funny you should say that! It was in fact somebody from abroad!

    And not just somebody, but lots of people from abroad. And nobody has any sane reason to be "in horror" over Trump!

    The majority of America loves Trump! Don't be part of the minority!

    And now you've even done it again. You *do* know what they say about repeating a mistake and expecting a different outcome?

    I was "insane" when I thought my country was full of dumb people! I love my fellow Americans and I love what they did for me!

    Now, the world is preparing for another outbreak of COVID when anti-vaxxers take over and make the USA a super-spreader again.

    Well, you do have a point. The world elite are 100% more likely to unleash a deadly covid strain while Trump is president vs while a Soros Puppet is president.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Nov 16 17:40:40 2024
    The "stringpullers" tend to play the long game - generations.

    Look at England right now. Nearly all the land is owned by the
    Elitists. So if you want to start a business, you basically have to get their permission to rent some of their land.

    Now look at what's been happening here in the U.S. with places like Blackrock buying up property. It won't happen in our life time, but if that continues we "will own nothing and be happy."

    That's already happening here whereas if you want your business to have an app on the Google Play Store, you first suck the asses of the Google Play Store people. And even after that task is complete, there could still be stipulations like 1) having to change your business model or 2) having to change the name of your business.

    Google "owns the world" right now. Or at least, the world of information. And that's bad enough. We don't want them (or their elitist cousins) doing the same thing with all the real estate.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 17 02:04:49 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-17 01:05:
    Who told you that?

    Oh funny you should say that! It was in fact somebody from abroad!

    Name please.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Nov 17 02:31:44 2024
    Gregory Deyss -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-16 15:32:
    Just as they can be assured that the Next four years will mean
    prosperity for the United States and it's citizens. or simply put MAGA.

    Dream on. Promise you'll never say I told you so, once you understand how tarrifs actually works!



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Sat Nov 16 22:47:40 2024
    Who told you that?

    Oh funny you should say that! It was in fact somebody from abroad!

    Name please.

    It's pointless to name names of people who you've never met.

    There is no country that has more to offer than the USA.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 17 09:41:06 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-17 06:47:
    Who told you that?

    Oh funny you should say that! It was in fact somebody from abroad!

    Name please.

    It's pointless to name names of people who you've never met.

    Pants on fire.

    There is no country that has more to offer than the USA.

    Oh, pray tell! What would that be?

    Social welfare from the cradle to the grave?

    Free education?

    Women's right to their own bodies?

    Pollution-free, clean air and water?

    Paid vacation?

    Protection from being frivolously fired from your job?

    Is there anything else the US has to offer that no other country has?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 17 09:47:04 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's already happening here whereas if you want your business to have
    an app on the Google Play Store,

    It depends on who your customers are. Google has never dictated to me what apps I can and cannot run on my Android devices.

    If your customers are non-techies, then, ya, Google controls alot (but Apple is even worse). If your customers are at least semi-technical, then you can get around the Google restrictions.

    Google "owns the world" right now. Or at least, the world of
    information. And that's bad enough. We don't want them (or their
    elitist cousins) doing the same thing with all the real estate.

    Google's hold is breaking every day. People just have to accept less functionality for a bit. But it's happening.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sun Nov 17 11:54:14 2024
    On 17 Nov 2024, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

    Gregory Deyss -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-16 15:32:
    Just as they can be assured that the Next four years will mean prosperity for the United States and it's citizens. or simply put MAGA

    Dream on. Promise you'll never say I told you so, once you understand how tarrifs actually works!

    Well at any rate it appears that was indicated within my previous lengthy message was filtered down to a short reply from you that is basically implies.. Just wait.

    What is about to happen within Trumps 2nd term has far more to do than just tariffs. Besides you are speaking of a dogmatic and fearful approach to tariffs.

    All that was wrong within Biden Administration will be eliminated within the Trump Administration.

    Oh and by the way: when the Trump Administration announces that the Southern Border is now secure, Americans as well as people from around the World can believe it w/ assured confidence. Trump means what he says.

    There will be Peace through Strength, not weakness as seen within the previous Biden administration; to draw a line in the sand and have it crossed, there was never any consequence taken by the U.S. This is how I define weakness.

    What does purchasing foreign made goods do for the United States and her citizens? What is the benefit? Cheaply and poorly made products that don't last and then arrive in landfills... There is a better way forward.

    Domestic Job Creation: This protects American industries from being undercut by cheaper foreign labor, directly supporting American jobs. For example, industries like steel saw a resurgence during Trump's administration due to tariffs.

    Higher Quality Goods: I would like to point out that American-made products often adhere to stricter quality standards compared to foreign goods, which can be cheaply and poorly made. Investing in domestic goods means longer-lasting products, reducing waste and saving money over time.

    Ethical Responsibility: I would like to bring attention to the unethical labor practices, such as child labor, often used in countries that produce cheap goods. By imposing tariffs, the U.S. discourages importing products made under exploitative conditions, promoting global fairness.

    National Security: Such as seen within the steel industry and energy ensures the U.S. isn't reliant on foreign nations for critical resources, which could be a vulnerability during global conflicts.

    Economic Independence: Tariffs encourage companies to invest in local manufacturing, reducing reliance on global supply chains and safeguarding the economy against foreign market disruptions.

    The above Five points very much outweigh the negative pessimistic views of
    1. Increased costs to consumers.
    2. Trade Wars
    3. Economic Disruption

    Places like Wal*Mart and Target and other brick and mortar (Chinese-R-us's) will be forced to re-organize to stay profitable.

    ... Still waitng for that Coffee :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Sun Nov 17 12:29:30 2024
    Name please.

    It's pointless to name names of people who you've never met.

    Pants on fire.

    My wife is from Panama. She says that the USA is "the envy of the world." Other people from her country have said the same thing. Panama is one of the most successful countries in Central America, but their people know that the healthcare there sucks compared to the USA.

    There is no country that has more to offer than the USA.

    Oh, pray tell! What would that be?

    We've got an American nationalist as president-elect. It's awesome. That's about all you need to have a great country. But the healthcare, the jobs, and the education are all pretty good too.

    You can't get that stuff in countries that are run by dictators, or by socialists.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Nov 17 13:07:44 2024
    That's already happening here whereas if you want your business to ha an app on the Google Play Store,

    It depends on who your customers are. Google has never dictated to me what apps I can and cannot run on my Android devices.

    If your customers are non-techies, then, ya, Google controls alot (but Apple is even worse). If your customers are at least semi-technical,
    then you can get around the Google restrictions.

    What I meant by that is when it comes to app development, and app visibility on the Google Play Store, the Google Play Store dictates which businesses are allowed to thrive. If your business competes with one of theirs, then prepare for the "community standards" lecture. But if they like your app and/or business, then they'll ignore their own community standards and let you do whatever you want.

    The same way that the left has established authority in many industries, Google is establishing authority over which businesses get to be found on the internet and which ones don't. I related this to what you were saying about the left purchasing all the property because some day they will have the "authority" to decide who can own what kind of home and where and on what terms.

    Google's hold is breaking every day. People just have to accept less functionality for a bit. But it's happening.

    Earlier today I left home without my phone and I wanted to check my Gmail from my wife's phone but there was no way to do it without having a text confirmation sent to my phone. That's one of the many reasons why I'm in the process of setting up my own email server. Gmail sucks.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 18 11:57:48 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-17 20:29:
    There is no country that has more to offer than the USA.

    Oh, pray tell! What would that be?

    We've got an American nationalist as president-elect.

    And you really think that that is the envy of the world? Why would we want an American nationalist, or any nationalist, anywhere near us? Holy smoke...

    It's awesome.

    I can understand your perspective, but what about the vast majority of your countrymen who have other priorities? Like all-encompassing social welfare and women's right to their own bodies?

    But the healthcare,
    the jobs, and the education are all pretty good too.

    Ah yes, those petty details, they'll be fixed with tariffs, so no worries.

    You can't get that stuff in countries that are run by dictators, or by socialists.

    Here is where your typical US uneducation shows up. Socialism is an economic system and dictators are political. All modern countries are using democracy to govern a socialist economic system. But you'll never understand this, you are simply too brainwashed. I get it.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Mon Nov 18 07:13:26 2024
    And you really think that that is the envy of the world? Why would we
    want an American nationalist, or any nationalist, anywhere near us? Holy smoke...
    Citizens of other Europe nations, where cheering in the streets...

    I can understand your perspective, but what about the vast majority
    of your countrymen who have other priorities? Like all-encompassing
    social welfare and women's right to their own bodies?
    Have you seen the election map for 2024, it has more coverage then Verizon and Team Mobile combined.
    It's true there are no Blue States, only blue cities.

    Here is where your typical US uneducation shows up. Socialism is an economic system and dictators are political. All modern countries are using democracy to govern a socialist economic system. But you'll never understand this, you are simply too brainwashed. I get it.

    Socialism Is a Seductive Idea, but It Is Incompatible with Freedom and Prosperity
    https://tinyurl.com/577tnve5

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 18 07:27:57 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    What I meant by that is when it comes to app development, and app visibility on the Google Play Store, the Google Play Store dictates
    which businesses are allowed to thrive.

    But retailers (and Google Play is really just a retailer) have been doing that for decades. Walmart, for example, is the main reason that Rubbermaid doesn't exist (except as a name).

    If your business competes with
    one of theirs, then prepare for the "community standards" lecture. But
    if they like your app and/or business, then they'll ignore their own community standards and let you do whatever you want.

    But we've known that for a long time now and created channels that work outside Google Play.

    The same way that the left has established authority in many
    industries, Google is establishing authority over which businesses get
    to be found on the internet and which ones don't. I related this to
    what you were saying about the left purchasing all the property because some day they will have the "authority" to decide who can own what kind
    of home and where and on what terms.

    Yup. That's their play. But in a capitalistic society, that type of play never works in the long run.

    IF (and that's a really big "if") the vendor can keep the pain level low, they can maintain control. But the more pain they inflict on the customers, the more a market demand will be created, and market demand means someone will satisfy that demand.

    Land is some what of an exception because there is a fixed amount on Earth and more isn't be created very fast.

    Earlier today I left home without my phone and I wanted to check my
    Gmail from my wife's phone but there was no way to do it without having
    a text confirmation sent to my phone. That's one of the many reasons
    why I'm in the process of setting up my own email server. Gmail sucks.

    That's why the only reason my gmail account exists is for my Android devices.

    But the two-factor auth is caused by the low security in other places.

    We've known for a long time that when you make something easier to use, it's less secure. More secure means more "friction" to use it. Sadly, we don't see a way around this.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Mon Nov 18 05:40:10 2024
    We've got an American nationalist as president-elect.

    And you really think that that is the envy of the world? Why would we want an American nationalist, or any nationalist, anywhere near us? Holy smoke...

    It's a desirable characteristic because it means that the president will keep illegal immigrants out, and will put America's interests first.

    It's awesome.

    I can understand your perspective, but what about the vast majority
    of your countrymen who have other priorities? Like all-encompassing
    social welfare and women's right to their own bodies?

    The majority of Americans have spoken: they said they want Trump, a republican congress, and a republican senate. Women and their bodies is a slogan that ignorant people cling to. 4 years from now you will be stunned when I say "Look Bjorn, there's no abortion ban, not even after 4 years of Trump!"

    But the healthcare,
    the jobs, and the education are all pretty good too.

    Ah yes, those petty details, they'll be fixed with tariffs, so no worries.

    How do tariffs affect job growth?

    You can't get that stuff in countries that are run by dictators, or b socialists.

    Here is where your typical US uneducation shows up. Socialism is an economic system and dictators are political. All modern countries are using democracy to govern a socialist economic system. But you'll never understand this, you are simply too brainwashed. I get it.

    Socialism is an economic system that gets forced on people by government dictators. Nobody asks for it; they get stuck with it. Some people make the best of it by pretending that it's great.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Mon Nov 18 06:56:26 2024
    What I meant by that is when it comes to app development, and app visibility on the Google Play Store, the Google Play Store dictates which businesses are allowed to thrive.

    But retailers (and Google Play is really just a retailer) have been
    doing that for decades. Walmart, for example, is the main reason that Rubbermaid doesn't exist (except as a name).

    But Rubbermaid still thrives outside of Walmart. If I made an online marketplace app called "Junglezon," it wouldn't thrive without a presence on The Google Play Store.

    But we've known that for a long time now and created channels that work outside Google Play.

    Computer-saavy people know about f-Android, the APK Pure, etc, but no business with an app on those platforms can seriously compete with competitors on The Google Play Store.

    why I'm in the process of setting up my own email server. Gmail sucks

    That's why the only reason my gmail account exists is for my Android devices.

    But the two-factor auth is caused by the low security in other places.

    We've known for a long time that when you make something easier to use, it's less secure. More secure means more "friction" to use it. Sadly,
    we don't see a way around this.

    I've never had a problem with compromised passwords. Even if a hacker obtained my password to something, there's not much damage that can be done with it. 2 factor authentication is fine, but the 2nd factor ought to include an option for a secondary email address. (That way people can leave their phone at home and check their email from a friend's device.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Nov 19 07:30:32 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But Rubbermaid still thrives outside of Walmart.

    Only as a name. The original company is long gone.

    What happened was that Rubbermaid depended too much on Walmart. Walmart demanded a price cut at the same time that the price for their raw materials went up. So they said "No" to Walmart, who then proceeded to punish Rubbermaid by placing their products in non-obvious areas of the store. The end result was a major sales drop for Rubbermaid leading to its bankruptcy.

    All that's left is good lesson to not be dependent on any distrubutor/retailer to get your product out.

    If I made an online
    marketplace app called "Junglezon," it wouldn't thrive without a
    presence on The Google Play Store.

    Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on your app and your market.

    For Android, many people know how to "side-load" the APK via the web. Then you have apps like F-Prot which offer a non-Google app store.

    So if your market is the more tech savvy, you can exist without the Google Play Store. If your market is the less tech savvy, then, ya, you need Google.
    But those are business decisions.

    I'm remembering back to MS-DOS and Lotus 1-2-3 days. Lotus sold for hundreds of dollars so people pirated it. Lotus was, of course, mad. But it illustrates how business decisions **should** be made. If it costs you $100 to make a product, but the market will only pay $75 for it, you simply don't make the product. That's what Lotus' problem was: They charged far more than the market wanted and there was rampant piracy. And when a single programmer came out with a clone called AsEasyAs (like "As easy as 1-2-3") and charged $30 for it (and it worked better), it took the wind out of Lotus' sails (sales?) to justify the multi-hundred dollar charge for Lotus 1-2-3.

    So if you are an app developer and you don't like Google's Play Store, you can always do something else. If no apps are sold through the Play Store, Google doesn't make money.

    Computer-saavy people know about f-Android, the APK Pure, etc, but no business with an app on those platforms can seriously compete with competitors on The Google Play Store.

    Then, as a business, you decide whether it worth your time/effort to put up with it. I know businesses who decided to not have an app because of the Google and Apple policies in their app stores.

    I've never had a problem with compromised passwords. Even if a hacker obtained my password to something, there's not much damage that can be done with it. 2 factor authentication is fine, but the 2nd factor ought
    to include an option for a secondary email address. (That way people
    can leave their phone at home and check their email from a friend's device.)

    But, to the dismay of us with more tech knowledge, companies are compelled to build systems for the far less tech savvy.

    I share your frustration with the 2 factor stuff. I ran into the same problem when setting up my new phone. But the sad thing is that most people who use tech do not understand it.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Nov 19 20:07:58 2024
    hundreds of dollars so people pirated it. Lotus was, of course, mad.

    I remember downloading it just because it was popular. I never learned how to use it or anything. That's one thing they did right: they got their name out.

    I share your frustration with the 2 factor stuff. I ran into the same problem when setting up my new phone. But the sad thing is that most people who use tech do not understand it.

    I always feel like big tech wants my phone number, and I don't wanna give it to them (even though Google already probably has it.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 20 07:26:08 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    hundreds of dollars so people pirated it. Lotus was, of course, mad.

    I remember downloading it just because it was popular. I never learned
    how to use it or anything. That's one thing they did right: they got
    their name out.

    They did. But their pricing model was poor and encouraged others to do better for much less. Which hurt Lotus in the long run - not only in sales, but in reputation.

    I always feel like big tech wants my phone number, and I don't wanna
    give it to them (even though Google already probably has it.)

    I think the main thing is that we want some level of control over our information.

    Certain companies have a legitimate need for my phone number (ex: Doctor, Dentist). But others don't.

    Some companies use your phone number as an ID. Our local grocery store uses it as your ID for their points program. But if you don't want to participate, you don't have to.

    So far, I've only encountered 1 store (which is no longer in business) that demanded to know what my phone number was. But the cashier couldn't tell me why and what I get out of it. I declined the transaction and walked out. Based on the fact that it no longer exists, I'd say that many others did the same.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Nov 20 07:24:16 2024
    I always feel like big tech wants my phone number, and I don't wanna give it to them (even though Google already probably has it.)

    I think the main thing is that we want some level of control over our information.

    Certain companies have a legitimate need for my phone number (ex: Doctor, Dentist). But others don't.

    Some companies use your phone number as an ID. Our local grocery store uses it as your ID for their points program. But if you don't want to participate, you don't have to.

    I try to give my old phone number in those situations, but then when I try to log to check my points or something, they ask "What's the code we just texted you?"

    I used to get a lot of scam calls. Every day, every night. But then I changed my # to one with an odd prefix and that seems to have solved that problem.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 21 13:15:57 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-18 13:40:
    Socialism is an economic system that gets forced on people by government dictators. Nobody asks for it; they get stuck with it. Some people make the best of it by pretending that it's great.

    My oh my! There are abt. 500M citizens in Europe alone, and you think that all of us are living in dictatorships?

    Plus, of course, a million or more living in former UK colonies like, e.g. your northern neighbour.

    Only one not-very democratic country will actually be living a dictatorship after January 20, 2025, but it'll probably take more than a year before Bidenomics wears off, so you still have some time to plan for your future.

    Remember Germany 1933...


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 21 11:48:21 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I try to give my old phone number in those situations, but then when I
    try to log to check my points or something, they ask "What's the code
    we just texted you?"

    Ya, half-participation usually doesn't work. But in this case, you can say "It's not worth it to me to give out my personal information." and refuse to participate.

    I used to get a lot of scam calls. Every day, every night. But then I changed my # to one with an odd prefix and that seems to have solved
    that problem.

    For now.

    I set up system that was visible on the Internet and noticed it was hit with many, many dictionary attacks. I moved the SSH port to something strange and it stopped the attacks - for about 6 months when someone did a port scan and found the strange port number - and the dictionary attacks came back.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Thu Nov 21 20:44:30 2024
    Socialism is an economic system that gets forced on people by governm dictators. Nobody asks for it; they get stuck with it. Some people ma the best of it by pretending that it's great.

    My oh my! There are abt. 500M citizens in Europe alone, and you think that all of us are living in dictatorships?

    No, but they're not all living with a socialist economy either.

    Only one not-very democratic country will actually be living a dictatorship after January 20, 2025, but it'll probably take more than a year before Bidenomics wears off, so you still have some time to plan
    for your future.

    The majority of Americans (big majority too) voted for Trump. There's nothing dictatorial about that.

    I'm a New York state resident and I still have the right to enter the country illegally, get a free sex change, get pregnant, have an abortion, and even have the taxpayers change my sex back to what it originally was. And Trump can't stand in my way of any of that.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Thu Nov 21 22:45:12 2024
    I try to give my old phone number in those situations, but then when try to log to check my points or something, they ask "What's the code we just texted you?"

    Ya, half-participation usually doesn't work. But in this case, you can say "It's not worth it to me to give out my personal information." and refuse to participate.

    I used to get a lot of scam calls. Every day, every night. But then I changed my # to one with an odd prefix and that seems to have solved that problem.

    For now.

    I set up system that was visible on the Internet and noticed it was hit with many, many dictionary attacks. I moved the SSH port to something strange and it stopped the attacks - for about 6 months when someone did
    a port scan and found the strange port number - and the dictionary
    attacks came back.

    Do they have a dictionary of phone numbers though? (Probably!)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 22 08:29:52 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Do they have a dictionary of phone numbers though? (Probably!)

    We did back in the day. War dialers were common.

    A while back, I set up a BBS on an old Raspberry PI setup that I had. It was an experiment to test out some ideas. Part of the experiment was that I needed to access it from work - so I opened it to the Internet on the router and set the port to something weird.

    Keep in mind that at no time did I advertise this BBS. I did not post my IP address and say that there was a BBS here. Nothing. But one day someone logged in as a new user. So I took care of that - actually a couple of times because the guy couldn't understand things.

    But, lo and behold, my experiment ended up on the Telnet BBS list! By then, I had ended the experiment and the BBS was no longer there, so no problem for me.
    I let the maintainer of the Telnet BBS list what happened and asked him to remove the BBS entry.

    But, still, some people seem to have no time other than stick their noses where they don't belong.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Nov 22 10:48:36 2024
    A while back, I set up a BBS on an old Raspberry PI setup that I had.
    It was an experiment to test out some ideas. Part of the experiment was that I needed to access it from work - so I opened it to the Internet on the router and set the port to something weird.

    Keep in mind that at no time did I advertise this BBS. I did not post
    my IP address and say that there was a BBS here. Nothing. But one day someone logged in as a new user. So I took care of that - actually a couple of times because the guy couldn't understand things.

    That's weird. I wonder if they actually ever accomplish anything with all that port scanning and password guessing? I'm confident that the most important web portals (govt, military, corporations, etc) have remote access (to important stuff) disabled.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 22 19:17:49 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-11-22 04:44:
    My oh my! There are abt. 500M citizens in Europe alone, and you think
    that all of us are living in dictatorships?

    No, but they're not all living with a socialist economy either.

    Oh yes, we all are! Every developed country in the world is living with a socialist economy.

    Only a few countries have brainwashed people that think that capitalism is best for them. Yeah, steal from the poor and give to the rich; what a way to achieve the "American Dream".

    Let's talk again in a year or so when Bidenomics starts to wear off, and the Trumpist tariff economy makes groceries, housing, and fuel cheaper.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Fri Nov 22 20:46:16 2024
    Oh yes, we all are! Every developed country in the world is living
    with a socialist economy.
    So every single one of these websites is wrong?
    https://tinyurl.com/munnpcmh

    The collaborative consensus would suggest otherwise.
    Other information found on the Internet (within seconds) proves and shows that everywhere it has been tried it has failed w/ disastrous results.

    You're so barking up the wrong tree.

    ... Still waitng for that Coffee :)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 23 08:13:02 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's weird. I wonder if they actually ever accomplish anything with
    all that port scanning and password guessing?

    They do. It's amazing how many people have open, unsecured systems on the Internet.

    I'm confident that the
    most important web portals (govt, military, corporations, etc) have
    remote access (to important stuff) disabled.

    You'd be surprised. But knowing how incompetent the gov't is, you may not be surprised.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Sat Nov 23 14:26:02 2024
    Only a few countries have brainwashed people that think that
    capitalism is best for them. Yeah, steal from the poor and give to the rich; what a way to achieve the "American Dream".

    What are you talking about? Who's "stealing from the poor?"

    We take pride in saying things like "I worked hard to earn everything I own."

    Do you take pride in saying things like "I worked less than everyone else, but I still took home the same amount of pay as everyone else?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Nov 23 14:27:42 2024
    I'm confident that the
    most important web portals (govt, military, corporations, etc) have remote access (to important stuff) disabled.

    You'd be surprised. But knowing how incompetent the gov't is, you may
    not be surprised.

    Well, "it's not equitable" to disable remote access :)

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