Tomorrow is election Day. Y'all know I will be at the polls casting my vote to Make America Great Again. Saving America from the disaster that will certainly be another road to ruin.

In the beginning of Joe's Presidency I was skeptical, now that it is nearly done. I have been as others are, reflecting on it now.
It would seem that the skepticism was indeed accurate.

A few highlights of Biden Administration.
Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.
Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over our Military installations along the way. Only to be shot down off the Carolina coast. I would of shot it down very quickly.
Sending a message of strength instead of weakness.
Build Back Better and being told it was a success - when people are still and very much so struggling.
Being told Biden was strong and vibrant - sharp as a tac and let us not forget hard to keep up with. All a lie.

So I will be voting for who the left calls a Felon.
Make no mistake this was intentioned for tomorrow - Election Day.
All the court cases, all the pundits, all that hate. Tomorrow is the day.
We shall see who comes out on top. America has two possible futures ahead.

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A few highlights of Biden Administration.
Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.
Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over our Military installations along the way. Only to be shot down off the Carolina coast. I would of shot it down very quickly.
Sending a message of strength instead of weakness.
Build Back Better and being told it was a success - when people are
still and very much so struggling.
Being told Biden was strong and vibrant - sharp as a tac and let us not forget hard to keep up with. All a lie.

I wish I could find the Biden quote where he said something like:

"Kamala was the last person to leave the room after every decision was made."

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Gregory Deyss -> All skrev 2024-11-05 02:21:

Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.

Who told you that? Did he also tell you about the 3000 Taliban terrorists that Trump forced the Afghan government to release from prison, and that immediately took power?

How has this affected you personally?

Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over
our Military installations along the way. Only to be shot down off the Carolina coast. I would of shot it down very quickly.

Yeah, of course you would. What do you think would happen if it was shot down over your home?

How has this affected you personally?

Sending a message of strength instead of weakness.

Instead of sending a message that "we know what you are doing, but we care more about our citizens than some trigger happy hawks here".

Build Back Better and being told it was a success - when people are
still and very much so struggling.

The original BBB included all the later Acts that the Biden administration later managed to pass through a hostile congress.

Every single one was so successful that even the hard-core MAGA Cult members still are taking credit for them.

How has this affected you personally? What people are still struggling? Do you know anyone?

Being told Biden was strong and vibrant - sharp as a tac and let us not forget hard to keep up with. All a lie.

Yes, he was and still is strong and vibrant. Just because he unfortunately no longer is able to overcome his stutter, does not mean that he no longer have 50 years of experience in his brain.

This unlike the Orange Jesus, that time and time again demonstrate that he knows even less about anything than he did 2016.

Do you really think that tariffs will benefit the US people?

What does your wife think?



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

I wish I could find the Biden quote where he said something like:

"Kamala was the last person to leave the room after every decision was made."

You won't find one because da Ho wasn't even in the room.


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On 05 Nov 2024, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

Gregory Deyss -> All skrev 2024-11-05 02:21:

Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.

Who told you that? Did he also tell you about the 3000 Taliban terrorists that Trump forced the Afghan government to release from
prison, and that immediately took power?

Who told me of this National embarrassment? - and it was every-bit of that and more. As for the negotiated prisoner release there is so much to that story, then what you have attempted to twist it into.

You can be assured that there is a greater response coming.
but first work.

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In the beginning of Joe's Presidency I was skeptical, now that it is nearly done. I have been as others are, reflecting on it now.
It would seem that the skepticism was indeed accurate.

I am still perplexed at how so many people were so surprised that Joe
melted down during the first 2024 debate. His cognition issues were very obvious even before the 2020 election. Granted, with his lack of public appearances before the 2020 election, they were able to hide it some but,
good grief, it was obvious *long* before he and Trump took the stage for
that debate.

I know some were denying it on purpose, but there were others that really
did seem shocked, and still others (at least one here) who still don't
believe he has any cognitive issues.

A few highlights of Biden Administration.
Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.

Yep.

Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over our Military installations along the way. Only to be shot down off the Carolina coast. I would of shot it down very quickly.
Sending a message of strength instead of weakness.

Yep. Had it not been such a clear day when it first crossed over into the
USA from Canada, so clear that regular citizens could spot it, we the
regular citizens probably never would have known about it. And more of them would have undoubtedly followed, unchallenged by either Canada or the US.

Build Back Better and being told it was a success - when people are still and very much so struggling.

It benefited the companies owned by donors, I am sure.

Being told Biden was strong and vibrant - sharp as a tac and let us not forget
hard to keep up with. All a lie.

See my impressions above.

So I will be voting for who the left calls a Felon.
Make no mistake this was intentioned for tomorrow - Election Day.
All the court cases, all the pundits, all that hate. Tomorrow is the day.
We shall see who comes out on top. America has two possible futures ahead.

I am still in the camp that believes both parties, and the primary voters, really let us down as far as the two top-party candidates are concerned.

I also believe we cannot underestimate the female population who are very
angry and who won't make the same choice as you, no matter how bad the
other choice might be.


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I wish I could find the Biden quote where he said something like:

"Kamala was the last person to leave the room after every decision wa made."

You won't find one because da Ho wasn't even in the room.

But Biden said she was. The media is tricking people into thinking that Kamala isn't Joe but Kamala is totally Joe.

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On 04 Nov 2024, Gregory Deyss said the following...

So I will be voting for who the left calls a Felon.
Make no mistake this was intentioned for tomorrow - Election Day.
All the court cases, all the pundits, all that hate. Tomorrow is the
day. We shall see who comes out on top. America has two possible
futures ahead.

Register as a Democrat and vote several times.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

You won't find one because da Ho wasn't even in the room.

But Biden said she was.

But look at all the other delusional things Joe said too.

The media is tricking people into thinking that
Kamala isn't Joe but Kamala is totally Joe.

Neither of them were "in charge". Their masters told them what to do.


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The media is tricking people into thinking that
Kamala isn't Joe but Kamala is totally Joe.

Neither of them were "in charge". Their masters told them what to do.

The thing that the brainwashed leftists didn't get about it though: Joe and Kamala have the same boss.

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The thing that the brainwashed leftists didn't get about it though: Joe and Kamala have the same boss.

I think they fully understood it and did not care.


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Mike Powell wrote to GREGORY DEYSS <=-

I also believe we cannot underestimate the female population who are
very angry and who won't make the same choice as you, no matter how bad the other choice might be.

I'm wondering about that myself... With the push for 'reproductive rights' (what I call murder) and getting women to vote for that, I wonder how that affected things?

Not sure we'll know... It affected me, in making me vote AGAINST it.




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jimmylogan wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I also believe we cannot underestimate the female population who are
very angry and who won't make the same choice as you, no matter how bad the other choice might be.

I'm wondering about that myself... With the push for 'reproductive
rights' (what I call murder) and getting women to vote for that, I
wonder how that affected things?

Not sure we'll know... It affected me, in making me vote AGAINST it.

I have heard at least one male Harris voter complain that she made the
campaign almost entirely about that, where most people are more affected by other things. One example he brought up was the economy and how the
average person, who is currently living paycheck to paycheck, is not going
to relate to talk about how economic trends show good things coming. They really want to hear you say you are going to do something about it -- as
Trump did.

Based on the reactions of some females on social media who were Harris supporters, abortion was pretty much the only issue they seemed to care about. A few were upset that "selfish" people cared more about "other issues" than that one. I guess they are doing well enough financially that they were
free to focus on just that one.




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On 05 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

In the beginning of Joe's Presidency I was skeptical, now that it is near
done. I have been as others are, reflecting on it now.
It would seem that the skepticism was indeed accurate.

I am still perplexed at how so many people were so surprised that Joe melted down during the first 2024 debate. His cognition issues were very obvious even before the 2020 election. Granted, with his lack of public appearances before the 2020 election, they were able to hide it some but, good grief, it was obvious *long* before he and Trump took the stage for that debate.

I know some were denying it on purpose, but there were others that really did seem shocked, and still others (at least one here) who still don't believe he has any cognitive issues.

A few highlights of Biden Administration.
Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.

Yep.

Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over our
Military installations along the way. Only to be shot down off the Caroli
coast. I would of shot it down very quickly.
Sending a message of strength instead of weakness.

The fake concerns what if it fell onto a house. I could of been brought down in a sparse area without difficultly or towed and then brought down to via the U.S. Air Force. To leave it floating in with U.S. Air space showed incredible weakness. There is no way that Trump would of left it floating to the Carolina coast. I can just imagine what Trump would of said if he was in
power. "We brought down and we brought it down fast." - Am I right?... lol

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Neither of them were "in charge". Their masters told them what to do.

The thing that the brainwashed leftists didn't get about it though: Joe and Kamala have the same boss.

Yup. And the person telling them what to do wasn't the person in charge either. That person is so far behind the scenes that even if we were told his name, we wouldn't recognize it.

But the Ignorant Elitists can't think for themselves, so ideas like this can't enter their heads.


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jimmylogan wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I'm wondering about that myself... With the push for 'reproductive
rights' (what I call murder) and getting women to vote for that, I
wonder how that affected things?

Not sure we'll know... It affected me, in making me vote AGAINST it.

The hard facts are that women have always had 'reproductive rights'. They say "no" and keep their legs closed.

But the Elitists always dress up their Narratives with opposite sounding names.
"Reproductive Rights" actually means "not having to take responsibility for their decisions."

But this was always the plan.

I've noticed for a long time now that more adults seem to be more child-like in their thinking. One of the Elitists' plans was to create a dependant-class that would always vote them into office. Making people child-like (unable to make rational decisions, needing someone to absolve them of their bad decisions, do their thinking for them, etc.) was being pushed out as early as the 1970's.


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Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over

The fake concerns what if it fell onto a house. I could of been brought down

a sparse area without difficultly or towed and then brought down to via the U.S. Air Force. To leave it floating in with U.S. Air space showed incredible weakness. There is no way that Trump would of left it floating to the

arolina

coast. I can just imagine what Trump would of said if he was in
power. "We brought down and we brought it down fast." - Am I right?... lol

Indeed. They knew about it when it was over Canada (actually, I think they knew when it was over *Alaska* before it even got to Canada). US citizens started reporting it when it was somewhere over the northern plains.

The administration let it get over more densly populated areas before acknoledging it, which did mean that the chances of it falling onto a house were greater, hoping we'd ignore all the time it spent over corn fields and other sparsely populated areas.


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Ron L. wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I'm wondering about that myself... With the push for 'reproductive
rights' (what I call murder) and getting women to vote for that, I
wonder how that affected things?

Not sure we'll know... It affected me, in making me vote AGAINST it.

The hard facts are that women have always had 'reproductive rights'.
They say "no" and keep their legs closed.

Best form of birth control is a baby asperin held between the knees. :-)

But seriously, when you say that they bring up rape and incest. First,
these are a VERY very small percentage, but even in those cases I am
against abortion. There are no other crimes where we kill the offspring
of the criminal.

But even allowing for that and nothing else, which I'm not comfortable
with but is a step in the right direction, is not enough. What Clinton
called "safe and rare" is now "no one else's business, even up to the
point of birth."

But the Elitists always dress up their Narratives with opposite
sounding names.
"Reproductive Rights" actually means "not having to take
responsibility for their decisions."

To me 'reproductive rights' means 'right to murder my unborn child.'
It's not 'reproductive' if you are stopping a pregnancy.

Just like "planned parenthood" - really means "we kill the unplanned."

But this was always the plan.

I've noticed for a long time now that more adults seem to be more child-like in their thinking. One of the Elitists' plans was to create
a dependant-class that would always vote them into office. Making
people child-like (unable to make rational decisions, needing someone
to absolve them of their bad decisions, do their thinking for them,
etc.) was being pushed out as early as the 1970's.

Agreed. We saw a bit of that with Hurricane Katrina...





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To me 'reproductive rights' means 'right to murder my unborn child.'

Has anyone ever suggested to you to "murder your unborn child"?

No? I didn't think so.

Just like "planned parenthood" - really means "we kill the unplanned."

Planned parenthood is just that, planned parenthood.

You sound very righteous, and that is OK.

Somebody choosing not to have a baby at this time is also OK.

If someone doesn't have the wherewithal to have a child it might be better that they don't.

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On 05 Nov 2024, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

Gregory Deyss -> All skrev 2024-11-05 02:21:

Leaving Afghanistan - the way we did. - Disaster.

I wanted to get back to you as promised. I did reply somewhat, but I was pressed for time as I was getting ready to goto work. Shortly there after it was the election and now the world knows that Donald Trump was victorious within the electoral college and he also won the popular vote too.

I think the prosecution of Trump circus-like court case and how Judge Merchan conducted his courtroom was very unfair. Trump and his attorneys found their way through it without going to rikers island. Personally I think they should lay the cornerstone for a real Arkham Asylum in Gotham. as seen in The Batman Universe.

This is NOT a criticism of Trump or what he said at the time or during or even after the NY court proceedings.

Additionally, I give no praise to Judge Merchan now that he is considering of tossing out the Frankenstein felony conviction. I believe this was done for the sole purpose so that lefty pundits could proudly recite w/ confidence and assurance use the word Felon 100 x times within a broadcast or at every opportunity. Trump lived and breathed for 70 years and no criminal record and then all of sudden, yeah I don't buy it and neither do the American People.

Who told you that? Did he also tell you about the 3000 Taliban
terrorists that Trump forced the Afghan government to release from
prison, and that immediately took power?

It is also important to note that other Taliban commanders were released long before the Trump administration's agreement.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/58412530

How has this affected you personally?

I would ask you the same question, why do you care?

Seeing a Chinese Spy Balloon traversing across the U.S. hovering over our Military installations along the way. Only to be shot down off the
Carolina coast. I would of shot it down very quickly.

Yeah, of course you would. What do you think would happen if it was shot down over your home?

The trajectory of this was no where near me / Home of Uncle Sam (Troy, NY)

Build Back Better and being told it was a success - when people are still and very much so struggling.

The original BBB included all the later Acts that the Biden
administration later managed to pass through a hostile congress.

BBB was masquerading in a Halloween costume and underneath it all it was
Green New Deal.

Every single one was so successful that even the hard-core MAGA Cult members still are taking credit for them.

You think of THAT was process. Just wait - Trump will blow the doors off. Speaking of blowing Kamala will not helping either, thanks very much..

Being told Biden was strong and vibrant - sharp as a tac and let us n forget hard to keep up with. All a lie.

Yes, he was and still is strong and vibrant. Just because he
unfortunately no longer is able to overcome his stutter, does not mean that he no longer have 50 years of experience in his brain.

Stuttering had nothing to do with his fall from grace. His incoherence seen in what is known as the famous Biden Gaffes which can easily pulled up at a moments notice on Youtube.com Followed by Kamala's cackle not to mention her Word Salads. To be unburdened by what has been. I am glad the election is over as well. The Blue Wall turned out to be thw Red Wall.

This unlike the Orange Jesus, that time and time again demonstrate
that he knows even less about anything than he did 2016.

It is clear that the American People have provided that as a opportunity again. Thanks to all my so called liberal friends, oh so very delusional they are. Their seething hated of Trump made us all pay attention to what was being done to this man was so incredibly wrong.
Hang on to your Schackrutors, you haven't seen nothing yet.....

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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

To me 'reproductive rights' means 'right to murder my unborn child.'

Has anyone ever suggested to you to "murder your unborn child"?

No? I didn't think so.

Not talking about suggesting to me - talking about the santity of
human life.

Just like "planned parenthood" - really means "we kill the unplanned."

Planned parenthood is just that, planned parenthood.

When they promote killing the unborn, that's the oppisite of
'parenthood.'

You sound very righteous, and that is OK.

Only because of the Grace of God and the Salvation through Jesus
Christ. In and of myself? Nope - very, very evil!

Somebody choosing not to have a baby at this time is also OK.

If someone doesn't have the wherewithal to have a child it might be
better that they don't.

Choosing not to have a baby by killing the baby? Does that include
after it is born too?

So it's better for a child to be dead than to be born into a life
where their parents don't want it? Does the same go for one that
is already born? Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it
a chance at life?

Serious questions - I'd love to hear your perspective.





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To me 'reproductive rights' means 'right to murder my unborn child.'

Has anyone ever suggested to you to "murder your unborn child"?

No? I didn't think so.

Not talking about suggesting to me - talking about the santity of
human life.

I wasn't talking about you personally either and I agree, life is sacred.

Just like "planned parenthood" - really means "we kill the unplanned."

Planned parenthood is just that, planned parenthood.

When they promote killing the unborn, that's the oppisite of
'parenthood.'

Nobody is promoting killing the unborn. Parenthood should be planned.

I believe a woman has a right to privacy and a right have to abortion.

It works the same way in reverse. She has a right to give birth to her child.

You sound very righteous, and that is OK.

Only because of the Grace of God and the Salvation through Jesus
Christ. In and of myself? Nope - very, very evil!

I understand.

Somebody choosing not to have a baby at this time is also OK.

If someone doesn't have the wherewithal to have a child it might be
better that they don't.

Choosing not to have a baby by killing the baby?

No killing has happened.

Does that include after it is born too?

That would be murder, that is not happening is it?

So it's better for a child to be dead than to be born into a life
where their parents don't want it?

Nobody in America is aking that argument, why do you?

Does the same go for one that is already born?

Of course not. That isn't happening and I don't understand why you bring it up.

Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it a chance at life?

Same response. Why do you bring that up?

Serious questions - I'd love to hear your perspective.

Abortion is health care. Today in America women who need health care are turned away from hospitals because doctors are afraid they will be sued/jailed for giving a woman the care she needs.

These women I bring up had a miscarriage, not an abortion. They wanted their baby and were carrying it to term. After the miscarriage (or an abortion) a women may need a D&C to remove any remaining material in their body.

A D&C is a fairly simple and common proceedure but it is a life saver for a woman in need. Women in America have died because they couldn't get the care they need from their doctor/hospital.

There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up.

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So it's better for a child to be dead than to be born into a life
where their parents don't want it? Does the same go for one that
is already born? Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it
a chance at life?

Serious questions - I'd love to hear your perspective.

You better prepare yourself this guy likes to twist your words and never wants to be proven wrong even in the face of pure logic.
it is infuriating, he fights - like wet fish refusing to be caught.

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jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

Best form of birth control is a baby asperin held between the knees.

I remember seeing a gag item a long time ago. It was a "birth control pill" and it looked like an asprin, but when you shook it, it made baby crying (LOUD baby crying) sounds.

But seriously, when you say that they bring up rape and incest. First, these are a VERY very small percentage, but even in those cases I am against abortion. There are no other crimes where we kill the offspring
of the criminal.

The Elitists always bring up the fringe cases to bolster their "for everyone" case. Common tactic.

To me 'reproductive rights' means 'right to murder my unborn child.'
It's not 'reproductive' if you are stopping a pregnancy.

And it should always be between the doctor and the parents to make the decision. It some (very, very rare) cases, it may need to be done to save the life of the mother.

In any case, it's none of the state's business and not society's problem to pay for.


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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Somebody choosing not to have a baby at this time is also OK.

If someone doesn't have the wherewithal to have a child it might be
better that they don't.

Choosing not to have a baby by killing the baby?

No killing has happened.

I think our definition of 'killing' is different. I understand
it to be ending a life.

Does that include after it is born too?

That would be murder, that is not happening is it?

So it's better for a child to be dead than to be born into a life
where their parents don't want it?

Nobody in America is aking that argument, why do you?

Does the same go for one that is already born?

Of course not. That isn't happening and I don't understand why you
bring it up.

Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it a chance at life?

Same response. Why do you bring that up?

Because I'm asking what the difference is between a baby BEFORE it
is born and a baby AFTER it is born. If it is simply LOCATION, then
why is it okay on one hand and wrong on the other?

I'm trying to point out that it is LIFE in both cases. If you are
for LIFE and defending children (which you haven't said you are
for or against - only pointed out that it is 'murder' - you didn't
say if you were okay with it) then why not in all locations?

Serious questions - I'd love to hear your perspective.

Abortion is health care. Today in America women who need health care
are turned away from hospitals because doctors are afraid they will be sued/jailed for giving a woman the care she needs.

Women "NEED" abortions. That's the part I can't get behind. A woman
"NEEDS" to kill her unborn child. I don't understand how that has
become the norm in this country.

These women I bring up had a miscarriage, not an abortion. They wanted their baby and were carrying it to term. After the miscarriage (or an abortion) a women may need a D&C to remove any remaining material in
their body.

A D&C is a fairly simple and common proceedure but it is a life saver
for a woman in need. Women in America have died because they couldn't
get the care they need from their doctor/hospital.

There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up.

I have heard of ONE case like this - only one - but it is broght up all
the time, even here in Tennessee. I need to reveiw the details but my understanding is the person didn't die because the doctor was scared
to give a simple procedure (yes, simple - my wife had a D&C after our
first child was lost in a miscarriage in 1990). My understanding was
there were other factors.

The point being, women have miscarriages all the time, sadly, and
medical procedures to take care of them still happen all the time. I've
seen no proof that doctors are 'scared,' just rhetoric about it.






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Gregory Deyss wrote to jimmylogan <=-

So it's better for a child to be dead than to be born into a life
where their parents don't want it? Does the same go for one that
is already born? Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it
a chance at life?

Serious questions - I'd love to hear your perspective.

You better prepare yourself this guy likes to twist your words and
never wants to be proven wrong even in the face of pure logic. it is infuriating, he fights - like wet fish refusing to be caught.

LOL - thx for the warning. :-) When I engage like this I know I'm not
going to change the mind of those that are not open to debate and change,
but I hope that it causes someone else to go "hmm..."




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Ron L. wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

Best form of birth control is a baby asperin held between the knees.

I remember seeing a gag item a long time ago. It was a "birth control pill" and it looked like an asprin, but when you shook it, it made baby crying (LOUD baby crying) sounds.

NICE!

But seriously, when you say that they bring up rape and incest. First, these are a VERY very small percentage, but even in those cases I am against abortion. There are no other crimes where we kill the offspring
of the criminal.

The Elitists always bring up the fringe cases to bolster their "for everyone" case. Common tactic.

Yes I have pointed out that abortion on demand means up to the birth.
It's always said, "but people aren't actually doing this." To which I
point out - then why do they want it?

They bring up rape/incest so you suggest "okay, I don't like it, but
let's make that concession and ban the rest." Nope - never agree to
it.

To me 'reproductive rights' means 'right to murder my unborn child.'
It's not 'reproductive' if you are stopping a pregnancy.

And it should always be between the doctor and the parents to make the decision. It some (very, very rare) cases, it may need to be done to
save the life of the mother.

In any case, it's none of the state's business and not society's
problem to pay for.

Not society's to pay for - agreed
Not the state's business? There are laws against slavery - there are laws against stealing - there are laws against murder of the born...



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You better prepare yourself this guy likes to twist your words and never wants to be proven wrong even in the face of pure logic.

Go ahead and prove me wrong. You'll need some facts.

it is infuriating, he fights - like wet fish refusing to be caught.

I am not fighting with jimmy (or you). We are having a discussion.

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I think our definition of 'killing' is different. I understand
it to be ending a life.

Our definition of killing is much the same I think.

If a woman chooses to have an abortion no one has been killed.

Does the same go for one that is already born?

Of course not. That isn't happening and I don't understand why you
bring it up.

Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it a chance at life?

Same response. Why do you bring that up?

Because I'm asking what the difference is between a baby BEFORE it
is born and a baby AFTER it is born. If it is simply LOCATION, then
why is it okay on one hand and wrong on the other?

A baby is born after a 9 month gestation period.

I'm trying to point out that it is LIFE in both cases. If you are
for LIFE and defending children (which you haven't said you are
for or against - only pointed out that it is 'murder' - you didn't
say if you were okay with it) then why not in all locations?

It is the womans life until it is born.

Abortion is health care. Today in America women who need health care
are turned away from hospitals because doctors are afraid they will be
sued/jailed for giving a woman the care she needs.

Women "NEED" abortions. That's the part I can't get behind.

That's what I have been reading.

A woman "NEEDS" to kill her unborn child.

There is no child at that point, no killing is taking place.

I don't understand how that has become the norm in this country.

What's right for you might not be right for someone else.

No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. Why would you force someone to carry a child to term? There are many valid reasons why a woman might choose an abortion.

There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up.

I have heard of ONE case like this - only one - but it is broght up all
the time, even here in Tennessee.

There are several recent cases, another in Texas.

I need to reveiw the details but my understanding is the person didn't die because the doctor was scared to give a simple procedure (yes, simple - my wife had a D&C after our first child was lost in a miscarriage in 1990). My understanding was there were other factors.

In the case I was talking about the woman was turned away because her condition was not life threatening and they had to wait until it was. After a short time her condition did become life threatening and did in fact end her life before she could be receive the care she needed.

The point being, women have miscarriages all the time, sadly, and
medical procedures to take care of them still happen all the time. I've
seen no proof that doctors are 'scared,' just rhetoric about it.

That's not rhetoric. That is what is happening today.

Now that the states are in charge it is my hope that states will step up and that doctors will be free from fear of litigation or imprisonment to care for women when needed.

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These women I bring up had a miscarriage, not an abortion. They wanted their baby and were carrying it to term. After the miscarriage (or an abortion) a women may need a D&C to remove any remaining material in their body.

The afterbirth. It can be a very serious issue if the afterbirth is not expelled, or is not expelled completely.

A D&C is a fairly simple and common proceedure but it is a life saver for a woman in need. Women in America have died because they couldn't get the care they need from their doctor/hospital.

The reason that medical professionals might be concerned about performing a
D&C and then reporting it in their statistics (or as part of an autopsy
should the mother die anyway) is that "D&C," pre-Roe v. Wade, was also used
to mask procedures that were actually abortions.

There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up.

Some examples.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/16798/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/19/1239376395/louisiana- abortion-ban-dangerously-disrupting-pregnancy-miscarriage-care

https://www.liftlouisiana.org/criminalizedcare?link_id=2&can_id=beefcf6cd46f1a7 9dd9e666d9f8c620c&source=email-la-legislative-session-begins-2&email_referrer= email_2247441&email_subject=lift-and-partners-release-criminalized-care-report


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On 08 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

You better prepare yourself this guy likes to twist your words and never wants to be proven wrong even in the face of pure logic.

Go ahead and prove me wrong. You'll need some facts.

I often do try to get bona-fide facts that are from variable from non biased sites - on the internet. I even check out multiple sites -just to make sure that the narrative of thoughts are proven true and correct.
Ya know... Providing the antidote to liberal non-sense or spin.

You have many times dodged and weaved. Even appeared to make things as you continue to stick to the liberal talking points which has no basis in logic.

Democratic Politicians that suggest things are rosy and everything is better when they are not. Which means they are completely out of touch.
When the American people feel things they vote. Oh Boy did they vote.

Democrats not only lost in the Presidential election but they lost their footing and control in the House of Representatives 208 to a 215 Republican. Senate was a red bloodbath.

Having you here just repeating this liberal non-sense is really disrespectful especially to those who are continuing to struggle.

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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

I think our definition of 'killing' is different. I understand
it to be ending a life.

Our definition of killing is much the same I think.

If a woman chooses to have an abortion no one has been killed.

Then our definition is NOT the same.

Does the same go for one that is already born?

Of course not. That isn't happening and I don't understand why you
bring it up.

Better to throw it in a dumpster than give it a chance at life?

Same response. Why do you bring that up?

Because I'm asking what the difference is between a baby BEFORE it
is born and a baby AFTER it is born. If it is simply LOCATION, then
why is it okay on one hand and wrong on the other?

A baby is born after a 9 month gestation period.

Is a premature birth still a baby worth defending? What about
the day BEFORE that premature birth?

I'm trying to point out that it is LIFE in both cases. If you are
for LIFE and defending children (which you haven't said you are
for or against - only pointed out that it is 'murder' - you didn't
say if you were okay with it) then why not in all locations?

It is the womans life until it is born.

So in your mind a pregnant woman has two hearts? Two sets of lungs?
Etc.?

Abortion is health care. Today in America women who need health care
are turned away from hospitals because doctors are afraid they will be
sued/jailed for giving a woman the care she needs.

Women "NEED" abortions. That's the part I can't get behind.

That's what I have been reading.

Good. I'm not failing to make my stand known then. :-)

A woman "NEEDS" to kill her unborn child.

There is no child at that point, no killing is taking place.

And that is something I guess we'll never agree on. I will firmly
defend the life inside the woman just as strongly as the life
outside the woman - and the woman's life too.

I don't understand how that has become the norm in this country.

What's right for you might not be right for someone else.

No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. Why would you force
someone to carry a child to term? There are many valid reasons why a
woman might choose an abortion.

Again, we disagree on the definition of 'valid.' And you're right, no
one is forcing abortions. They are being celebrated though, and that
turns my stomach...

There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up.

I have heard of ONE case like this - only one - but it is broght up all
the time, even here in Tennessee.

There are several recent cases, another in Texas.

I need to reveiw the details but my understanding is the person didn't die because the doctor was scared to give a simple procedure (yes, simple - my wife had a D&C after our first child was lost in a miscarriage in 1990). My understanding was there were other factors.

In the case I was talking about the woman was turned away because her condition was not life threatening and they had to wait until it was. After a short time her condition did become life threatening and did in fact end her life before she could be receive the care she needed.

I would like to review the facts myself. Is that Texas? Or somewhere else?

Okay - I looked it up. Looks like the SECOND attending physician made a HUGE mistake. The article I read blames the anti-abortion laws, but also points
out the same doctor made other mistakes in the past on non-pregnant people.

My takeaway is that it is VERY very sad what happened, but saying that
abortion shouldn't be illegal doesn't fix when doctors make mistakes.

The point being, women have miscarriages all the time, sadly, and
medical procedures to take care of them still happen all the time. I've
seen no proof that doctors are 'scared,' just rhetoric about it.

That's not rhetoric. That is what is happening today.

Okay - it's MOSTLY rhetoric, at least in my state. Left leaning
legislaters want to say, "doctors are leaving the state becasue
they are scared," when the truth is they are leaving because
they can't perform abortions - something they make money on.

Now that the states are in charge it is my hope that states will step
up and that doctors will be free from fear of litigation or
imprisonment to care for women when needed.

Again, I'll disagree on the word 'care' there. Your form of care
sounds like abortion on demand, and I hope the states will rise up
and NOT allow it.

Sadly selfishness has come out on top in a lot of states thus far.




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Having you here just repeating this liberal non-sense is really disrespectful especially to those who are continuing to struggle.

I have not disrespected you.

My views and opinions differ from you own, but I have not disrespected you.

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If a woman chooses to have an abortion no one has been killed.

Then our definition is NOT the same.

OK. I don't see any murder in abortion.

I see a woman making a decision for herself and her future.

It is the womans life until it is born.

So in your mind a pregnant woman has two hearts? Two sets of lungs?
Etc.?

No.

Women "NEED" abortions. That's the part I can't get behind.

That's what I have been reading.

Good. I'm not failing to make my stand known then. :-)

Yes, I understand your position.

And that is something I guess we'll never agree on. I will firmly
defend the life inside the woman just as strongly as the life
outside the woman - and the woman's life too.

That's good to know.

The only difference betwwen our positions is that I beleive a woman has the right to privacy and to make her own choice.

I may not agree with her choice or some parts of it, but it is still her choice to make and she free to do what is best for her.

No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. Why would you force
someone to carry a child to term? There are many valid reasons why a
woman might choose an abortion.

Again, we disagree on the definition of 'valid.' And you're right, no
one is forcing abortions. They are being celebrated though, and that
turns my stomach...

OK, I think a woman may have valid reasons to choose as she does.

There a recent cases like this, I am not making this up.

I have heard of ONE case like this - only one - but it is broght up all
the time, even here in Tennessee.

There are several recent cases, another in Texas.

My takeaway is that it is VERY very sad what happened, but saying that abortion shouldn't be illegal doesn't fix when doctors make mistakes.

Doctor mistakes is another thing altogether.

That's not rhetoric. That is what is happening today.

Okay - it's MOSTLY rhetoric, at least in my state.

It is not rhetoric, it is happening and will continue to happen unless it is corrected.

Left leaning legislaters want to say, "doctors are leaving the state becasue they are scared," when the truth is they are leaving because they can't perform abortions - something they make money on.

Doctors make mony delivering babies as well.

Now that the states are in charge it is my hope that states will step
up and that doctors will be free from fear of litigation or
imprisonment to care for women when needed.

Again, I'll disagree on the word 'care' there. Your form of care
sounds like abortion on demand, and I hope the states will rise up
and NOT allow it.

Abortion is health care for women. They need or want it as the case may be.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

Sadly selfishness has come out on top in a lot of states thus far.

I have to agree.

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jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

Not society's to pay for - agreed
Not the state's business? There are laws against slavery - there are
laws against stealing - there are laws against murder of the born...

In my opinion (so take that for what it's worth), the only 3 people who should have any say in abortion are:
1. The mother
2. The father
3. The doctor

With all three deciding what is best for the family.

The state should have no say in the matter.



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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

If a woman chooses to have an abortion no one has been killed.

Then our definition is NOT the same.

OK. I don't see any murder in abortion.

I see a woman making a decision for herself and her future.

Then we will never agree on this. I see the baby in the womb
as just as alive and a SEPERATE PERSON as the woman is.

It is the womans life until it is born.

So in your mind a pregnant woman has two hearts? Two sets of lungs?
Etc.?

No.

Then how is it just her?

And that is something I guess we'll never agree on. I will firmly
defend the life inside the woman just as strongly as the life
outside the woman - and the woman's life too.

That's good to know.

The only difference betwwen our positions is that I beleive a woman has the right to privacy and to make her own choice.

I may not agree with her choice or some parts of it, but it is still
her choice to make and she free to do what is best for her.

I believe in freedom of choice - I can choose to own a gun or not, but
I don't have the right to use that gun to murder someone else. Right now abortion is legal in most places, and probably growing, but it doesn't
make it morally right.

That's not rhetoric. That is what is happening today.

Okay - it's MOSTLY rhetoric, at least in my state.

It is not rhetoric, it is happening and will continue to happen unless
it is corrected.

Again, in Tennessee there are no reports of this. There are people claiming
it happens, because it goes against what they are pushing, but it's not actually happening.

Abortion is health care for women. They need or want it as the case may be.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

Really? In some states you can get an abortion for any reason whatsoever.
How is that not abortion on demand?






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Ron L. wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

Not society's to pay for - agreed
Not the state's business? There are laws against slavery - there are
laws against stealing - there are laws against murder of the born...

In my opinion (so take that for what it's worth), the only 3 people who should have any say in abortion are:
1. The mother
2. The father
3. The doctor

With all three deciding what is best for the family.

The state should have no say in the matter.

So the state should have no say in protecting the life
of the unborn?






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I see a woman making a decision for herself and her future.

Then we will never agree on this. I see the baby in the womb
as just as alive and a SEPERATE PERSON as the woman is.

I understand.

It is the womans life until it is born.

So in your mind a pregnant woman has two hearts? Two sets of lungs?
Etc.?

No.

Then how is it just her?

Do you see two people or one when you look at a woman?

I believe in freedom of choice - I can choose to own a gun or not, but
I don't have the right to use that gun to murder someone else.

No one has been murdered.

Right now abortion is legal in most places, and probably growing, but it doesn't make it morally right.

No one is asking you to go against your morals, or asking to abide by theirs.

It is not rhetoric, it is happening and will continue to happen unless
it is corrected.

Again, in Tennessee there are no reports of this. There are people claiming it happens, because it goes against what they are pushing, but it's not actually happening.

I don't know what is happening in your area, but this is indeed happening in states that have abortion bans.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

Really? In some states you can get an abortion for any reason whatsoever.
How is that not abortion on demand?

Abortion on demand is a right wing talking point.

Women may want or need an abortion, it is not a demand.

If abortion is outlawed women will still have abortions because they want or need it. This is dangerous. It is better that women have a safe place to get the care that they need.

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jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

In my opinion (so take that for what it's worth), the only 3 people who should have any say in abortion are:
1. The mother
2. The father
3. The doctor

With all three deciding what is best for the family.

The state should have no say in the matter.

So the state should have no say in protecting the life
of the unborn?

I'm saying that the state has no business running my life. Period.


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Left leaning legislaters want to say, "doctors are leaving the state becasue
they are scared," when the truth is they are leaving because they can't perform abortions - something they make money on.

Doctors make money delivering babies as well.

I would argue that they make more money on babies that are carried to term
and delivered... there are multiple doctor visits during the pregnancy, and after, and there is a hospital stay after delivery.

With abortions, unless there are complications, there is one office visit
and it is done.

Doctors make a lot more money delivering babies than aborting them.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

It certainly is not any more and, statisticly, was not usually the case.


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I see a woman making a decision for herself and her future.

Then we will never agree on this. I see the baby in the womb
as just as alive and a SEPERATE PERSON as the woman is.

I see it as a separate person at the point in time where it can viably live outside the womb without being on life support. Until it is capable of
living outside the womb, it is not a separate person.

Again, in Tennessee there are no reports of this. There are people claiming it happens, because it goes against what they are pushing, but it's not actually happening.

The reason there are no reports of that in Tennessee is because a
three-judge panel in October ruled that, contrarty to Tennessee law,
doctors cannot be punished for providing abortion services in emergency situations (where the mother is at risk).

There is currently a lawsuit challenging Tennessee's restrictive abortion
ban. If Tennessee should win the lawsuit, these emergency services will go back to being banned. You will then start seeing reports of women being
turned away and possibly dying because care was denied.

Google "Tennessee cannot discipline doctors abortion" and you will get
plenty of articles about the case.


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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

If a woman chooses to have an abortion no one has been killed.

Then our definition is NOT the same.

OK. I don't see any murder in abortion.

I see a woman making a decision for herself and her future.

Then we will never agree on this. I see the baby in the womb
as just as alive and a SEPERATE PERSON as the woman is.

It is the womans life until it is born.

So in your mind a pregnant woman has two hearts? Two sets of lungs?
Etc.?

No.

Then how is it just her?

And that is something I guess we'll never agree on. I will firmly
defend the life inside the woman just as strongly as the life
outside the woman - and the woman's life too.

That's good to know.

The only difference betwwen our positions is that I beleive a woman has the right to privacy and to make her own choice.

I may not agree with her choice or some parts of it, but it is still
her choice to make and she free to do what is best for her.

I believe in freedom of choice - I can choose to own a gun or not, but
I don't have the right to use that gun to murder someone else. Right now abortion is legal in most places, and probably growing, but it doesn't
make it morally right.

That's not rhetoric. That is what is happening today.

Okay - it's MOSTLY rhetoric, at least in my state.

It is not rhetoric, it is happening and will continue to happen unless
it is corrected.

Again, in Tennessee there are no reports of this. There are people claiming
it happens, because it goes against what they are pushing, but it's not actually happening.

Abortion is health care for women. They need or want it as the case may be.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

Really? In some states you can get an abortion for any reason whatsoever.
How is that not abortion on demand?






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Ron L. wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

Not society's to pay for - agreed
Not the state's business? There are laws against slavery - there are
laws against stealing - there are laws against murder of the born...

In my opinion (so take that for what it's worth), the only 3 people who should have any say in abortion are:
1. The mother
2. The father
3. The doctor

With all three deciding what is best for the family.

The state should have no say in the matter.

So the state should have no say in protecting the life
of the unborn?






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Alan Ianson wrote to jimmylogan <=-

Do you see two people or one when you look at a woman?

If I use an ultrasound machine, I see two.

Right now abortion is legal in most places, and probably growing, but it doesn't make it morally right.

No one is asking you to go against your morals, or asking to abide by theirs.

Then don't ask for me to pay for it either.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

Really? In some states you can get an abortion for any reason whatsoever. How is that not abortion on demand?

Abortion on demand is a right wing talking point.

Women may want or need an abortion, it is not a demand.

You want a soda and go to the store to get one, but you don't have
to get a permit or anything like that, so it's 'soda on demand.' Since
women can, in some states, get an abortion at any time and for no
reason other than they WANT one, that's abortion on demand.

If abortion is outlawed women will still have abortions because they
want or need it. This is dangerous. It is better that women have a safe place to get the care that they need.

So suicide should be legal and assisted suicide available, since people
will do it anyway?







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Ron L. wrote to jimmylogan <=-

jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

In my opinion (so take that for what it's worth), the only 3 people who should have any say in abortion are:
1. The mother
2. The father
3. The doctor

With all three deciding what is best for the family.

The state should have no say in the matter.

So the state should have no say in protecting the life
of the unborn?

I'm saying that the state has no business running my life. Period.

Not to put words in your mouth, but you mean in abortion cases, right?
You're okay with the government taking tax money, making laws about
traffic, requiring you to have an ID, etc.?





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jimmylogan wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

I see a woman making a decision for herself and her future.

Then we will never agree on this. I see the baby in the womb
as just as alive and a SEPERATE PERSON as the woman is.

Probably not, and that's OK.

There are likely things we agree about and things we don't.

Again, in Tennessee there are no reports of this. There are people claiming it happens, because it goes against what they are pushing, but it's not actually happening.

It is happening. I haven't put a point on it, I'm just saying that it is happening.

Abortion on demand is not a thing.

Really? In some states you can get an abortion for any reason
whatsoever. How is that not abortion on demand?

Abortion on demand is a thing like beer & pizza on demand is a thing.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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jimmylogan wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

If I use an ultrasound machine, I see two.

Sure, there is much biological magic happening in a woman's body when she is pregnant.

Then don't ask for me to pay for it either.

I am not asking you to pay for anything.

What if you need care of some sort. Who will pay?

So suicide should be legal and assisted suicide available, since people will do it anyway?

I'm not saying we should legalize anything, or not.

Medically assisted dying is a thing.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm saying that the state has no business running my life. Period.

Not to put words in your mouth, but you mean in abortion cases, right?

Correct.

But we need to make sure that we are talking about the same thing.

There's the woman who wants to have an abortion because she doesn't want to take responsibility for her bad decisions. I have no problems with that being illegal. There are many other options other than abortion here.

But then there's the medical complications that can occur with pregnancy and birth. Like I said, that's a decision made by the husband, wife and doctor and the state should keep its nose out of that.

You're okay with the government taking tax money, making laws about traffic, requiring you to have an ID, etc.?

I'm not OK with any of that. But I can only fight one battle at any given time.

Remember that the bigger we make the gov't, the smaller We The People are. We originally set up our gov't to have the smallest amount of authority as needed to ensure our rights.


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Right now abortion is legal in most places, and probably growing, but it doesn't make it morally right.

No one is asking you to go against your morals, or asking to abide by theirs.

Then don't ask for me to pay for it either.

How are they making you pay for it?

That fetus has all the rights given to it from the constitution after the 1st trimester.

I believe life begins at fertilization, so I'm against it all. BUT -
your poposal has merit! That would save a TON of lives, which is
much more than is being done now.

For every 100 abortions, only 7 are performed outside of the first
trimester.


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Again, in Tennessee there are no reports of this. There are people claiming it happens, because it goes against what they are pushing, but it's not actually happening.

It is happening. I haven't put a point on it, I'm just saying that it is happening.

It may not be happening right now. That part of the Tennessee law...
doctor's getting in trouble for assisting women in emergencies... is not currently being enforced. It has been suspended pending the outcome of a lawsuit.

If they lawsuit is decided in Tennessee's favor then, yes, I am positive it will happen.


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You're okay with the government taking tax money, making laws about traffic, requiring you to have an ID, etc.?

I'm not OK with any of that. But I can only fight one battle at any given time.

Certainly you want them to have a govermnet issued ID, that they can present when voting, right?


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On 11 Nov 2024, IB Joe exclaimed the following...

So suicide should be legal and assisted suicide available, since peop will do it anyway?

It's now legal in Canada...

It is, and they are adding additional reasons and/or constraints daily to the availability of MAID.

Currently you must:

have a serious illness, disease or disability
be in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed
experience unbearable physical or mental suffering from your illness, disease, disability or state of decline that cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable
You do not need to have a fatal or terminal condition to be eligible for medical assistance in dying.

Pretty much anyone who's 'Fed Up'

Mick Manning
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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

It is happening. I haven't put a point on it, I'm just saying that it is happening.

It may not be happening right now.

It is happening now. I am not talking about Tennessee. I don't know what rights Tennesse law affords women but I have read of this in Texas and other red states.

That part of the Tennessee law... doctor's getting in trouble for assisting women in emergencies... is not currently being enforced.
It has been suspended pending the outcome of a lawsuit.

If they lawsuit is decided in Tennessee's favor then, yes, I am
positive it will happen.

I hope this will not happen in Tennesse or other states.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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jimmylogan wrote to Dr. What <=-

If the intention is not to save the mother's life but to simply kill
the baby - that I am NOT okay with.

Then we are on the same page here with Abortion.

I'll go along with that! Of course at the time our government was set
up we didn't have people sacrificing children...

One of the goals that the Elitists have is creating a "Dependant Class" that always votes them back in office. They've actually gone a long way in that as evidenced by the votes in the last election. A good number still voted for the Dems.

Part of creating that class is to keep people "childish". i.e. deferring to "authority", not having to take responsibility for their actions, etc.

The "abortion on demand" was part of the "not having to take responsibility" part of this conditioning.

The example that I use here is to imagine a little kid. He wants a balloon. So his parents get him one. Being a kid, he lets the balloon go. He watches it go up and up and then realizes that it's not coming back. He cries so his parents get him a new balloon and tie it to his wrist.

Next year, same little kid. He gets his balloon. He lets it go. He cries. But this time he's told "No. You knew what was going to happen. It's your fault you lost your balloon." And the kid matures a little that day.

The Elitists want to halt that as much as possible.


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On 11 Nov 2024, Mickey said the following...

You do not need to have a fatal or terminal condition to be eligible for medical assistance in dying.

I hear being married to a Liberal was an other reason.

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If the liberals have their way, universal healthcare includes abortion -
and is funded by taxpayer money.

So is taking care of unwanted children.

For every 100 abortions, only 7 are performed outside of the first trimester.

So 7 lives in 100 would be saved. That's better than zero!

It would actually be closer to 4 lives if Joe's percentages on the number
of those that are due to medical emergencies is correct.

As I have said before, unless you are out there adopting these kids, or are happily paying the extra tax dollars to help raise them (with NO complaints EVER about high taxes), you really should not get a say in it.

I am not adopting, and don't like paying the government more money, so I
should *not* be telling women they cannot get an abortion.

As I have seen *zero* stories in here from the pro-life crowd about how
they personally have adopted a ton of unwanted kids, and how well it is going for them, it is my opinion that none of us should be telling women that.


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It is happening. I haven't put a point on it, I'm just saying that it is happening.

It may not be happening right now.

It is happening now. I am not talking about Tennessee. I don't know what right
Tennesse law affords women but I have read of this in Texas and other red states.

The person you responded to, with you quote at the top of the message, was speaking specifically about his state - Tennessee. I agree it is happening
in other states. I provided a couple of links to issues in Louisiana in another message earlier in this discussion.

That part of the Tennessee law... doctor's getting in trouble for assisting women in emergencies... is not currently being enforced.
It has been suspended pending the outcome of a lawsuit.

If they lawsuit is decided in Tennessee's favor then, yes, I am
positive it will happen.

I hope this will not happen in Tennesse or other states.

Agreed.


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I'll go along with that! Of course at the time our government was set up
we didn't have people sacrificing children...

The US actually did have abortions back then.

Google "history of abortion." The practice dates back to at least 1500BC.
In this country it was seen as an acceptable practice, up until the point of the detection of "fetal motion," until the 1840s. That was when the American Medical Association was formed and began to see abortion as another pie they could get a piece of by regulating and making money off of it.

Laws against abortion didn't come into vogue until later, after the country
was nearing its 100th birthday.


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I'll go along with that! Of course at the time our government was set
up we didn't have people sacrificing children...

One of the goals that the Elitists have is creating a "Dependant Class" that always votes them back in office. They've actually gone a long way in that as
evidenced by the votes in the last election. A good number still voted for th
Dems.

Part of creating that class is to keep people "childish". i.e. deferring to "authority", not having to take responsibility for their actions, etc.

The "abortion on demand" was part of the "not having to take responsibility" part of this conditioning.

And no abortions leads to more people that become part of the "dependent class," which leads to more childish people who don't take responsibility
for any of their (other) actions.

I don't see a win-win in making it mostly illegal.


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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

The person you responded to, with you quote at the top of the message,
was speaking specifically about his state - Tennessee. I agree it is happening in other states. I provided a couple of links to issues in Louisiana in another message earlier in this discussion.

Jimmy may be talking about Tennesse, I was not.

I simply (or not so simply, if you prefer) said this is what is happening today.

Ttyl :-),
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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

And no abortions leads to more people that become part of the
"dependent class," which leads to more childish people who don't take responsibility for any of their (other) actions.

I don't see a win-win in making it mostly illegal.

But you assume that they will just keep getting pregnant, even if they can't get an abortion. I don't believe that's true. Some will, of course, but most won't after the first one - even if they give the baby up for adoption.

But abortion is now a STATE issue. So the people who want abortions will simply move to a state (like the People's Socialist Utopia of California) that allows it on demand, any time and paid for by the state. In a way, it would consolidate all the childish adults into one area that wants those kinds of people.

But in any case, abortion is a "distraction issue". It's emotional and gets people to direct attention there instead of other, more important, issues.


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But in any case, abortion is a "distraction issue". It's emotional and gets people to direct attention there instead of other, more important, issues.

We agree on this 100%.

Someone I have known since we were kids, and who grew up to be a Democrat, pointed out that Kamala's biggest mistake was making that issue (a
distraction issue) the biggest of her campaign. He pointed out that the
Trump campaign stayed on point with their message regarding the economy,
and that the economy is bad enough that most voters are going to be more worried about putting food on the table than they are abortions.

Since then I have seen a lot of media talking heads point out the same
thing, and they are correct.


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