Hello All!

For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

--------------------------------
Most notable changes since 359.1
--------------------------------

369.0 (29.10.2021)
------------------
NEW Simplified product naming/versioning scheme (no more WinPoint <expiry date
here>)
NEW Updated to Delphi 2007 (includes updates to various 3rd-party components) NEW New (temporary I think) default theme
NEW Vastly Improved Charset Handling (Reader,Editor,Search in Msgs, Search in
Msg,Display Filters)
- Switched to full unicode mail text handling internally (avoids translation
errors from the past)
- Header information is now properly decoded using the message Charset (for
supported charsets)
- Fixes all known issues with ASCII/CP866/LATIN encodings (includung Hi-ASCII
display)
- Added UTF-8 support
- Improved CP866 Auto-detection (I hope)
- Print function still only works correctly for ASCII
NEW Improved reflow logics when quoting messages
NEW Improved display of control lines (individual color)
NEW Encoding of a stored message is now persistently overridden in the reader CHG Messagebase now uses actual send date (i.e., incorporates TZUTC in time
information)
CHG Default message list sorting is now orig date desc
FIX TZUTC did not include a sign in the value
FIX Mailer no longer uses invalid 5D address if no domain is given
FIX Editor: Delete Line was deleting one line below
FIX Message reader now again stores sort settings
FIX Various other bug fixes

371.1 (08.11.2021)
------------------
FIX Fixes a major bug in configuration storage in version 369 and includes
various improvements to the threads tree

373.0 (10.11.2021)
------------------
NEW Some minor UI changes
NEW Subject/Sender etc. can now be selected and copied to clipboard
CHG Manually changed mail display encoding is now automatically stored (per
mail)
CHG Navigating to another mail resets display encoding to automatic
FIX Contacts/Outbound height is now saved
FIX Autosend was reading garbage from text file
FIX Variables list in settings was gone

375.0 (15.11.2021)
------------------
NEW Search results now include message date
NEW Text encoding can be reset for selected messages
NEW Separate action for using the current msg as arealist (menus make more
sense now)
CHG WP now internally enforces uppercase area names (its in the standard!)
CHG Moved text encoding fucntions to msglist context menu
CHG Reworked main menu/popup structure in message reader window
CHG Changed layout in area settings
CHG Improved adress selection in editor (regression)
FIX Fixed various issues in the area list parser (including the calibration
dialog)
FIX Adressbook lookup in editor was broken (still not properly sorted)
FIX Reader for a particular input
FIX Variables for text groups in settings dialog can be clicked again

--------------------------------

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 375.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:310/31.7)

Hello Martin Foster!

** On Friday 03.12.21 - 12:01, Martin Foster wrote to All:

Hello All!

For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

--------------------------------
Most notable changes since 359.1
--------------------------------

[...]

Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/ fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

What is the best way to proceed with an updated install? Will
the existing config values (areas, passwords, etc..) carry
over?

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.50
* Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)

El 3/12/21 a las 09:01, Martin Foster escribió:

Hello All!

For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

--------------------------------
Most notable changes since 359.1
--------------------------------

369.0 (29.10.2021)
------------------

where is the download?
--- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
* Origin: Dock Sud BBS - http://bbs.docksud.com.ar (4:902/26)

Hello August!

*** Friday 03.12.21 at 13:11:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in
development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

--------------------------------
Most notable changes since 359.1
--------------------------------

[...]

Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/ fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

Once there's a *FULL* new release, yes it will.

Please bear in mind, that at the moment, Tim is releasing BETA TEST *executables* ONLY.

What is the best way to proceed with an updated install?

[1] Backup(export) the following registry key ..... HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\New.Vision.Software\WinPoint

[2] Backup everything in C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\WinPoint

[3] Download this: http:\\winpoint\org\wp_v375.zip

[4] Extract the executable and copy it into the same directory as your
existing WinPoint(359.1) executable.

[5] Create a shortcut to the new executable and away ya go :)

Will the existing config values (areas, passwords, etc..) carry over?

Yes, or at least, mine did.

NOTES:
"Extras -> Options" has been moved to "File -> Options". In fact, the "Extras" menu no longer exists.

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 375.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:310/31.7)

Hello Fernando!

*** Friday 03.12.21 at 21:22:07, Fernando Toledo wrote to Martin Foster:

For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back in
development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

--------------------------------
Most notable changes since 359.1
--------------------------------

369.0 (29.10.2021)
------------------

where is the download?

The current BETA TEST executable is here .....
http://winpoint.org/wp_v375.zip

Please note that this is NOT a full release, it's a BETA TEST executable ONLY.

To save me typing it all out again, please read the upgrade instructions I posted in my previous message to August Abolins, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 375.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:310/31.7)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 04.12.21 at 11:01:01, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

For the benefit of those who don't already know, WinPoint is now back
in development. Here's a list of changes so far .....

--------------------------------
Most notable changes since 359.1
--------------------------------

[...]

Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/
fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

Once there's a FULL new release, yes it will.

As Tim has now pulled the old 359.1 version from his site and replaced it with the current public beta release, most of the WinPoint "PROS and CONS" are now obsolete, as is my "Basic Installation Guide". I've pulled the guide from my site but whether I write a new one, remains to be seen. I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Regards,
Martin
--- WinPoint 398.2
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

Hello Martin Foster!

** On Friday 11.02.22 - 14:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/
fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.
--
../|ug
--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)

11 Feb 2022 18:53, you wrote to Martin Foster:

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do
with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

The WinPoint site has been updated - the latest version is already available for download:
http://www.winpoint.org/

Carlos
--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Costa Blanca, Spain (2:341/234)

Hello August!

*** Friday 11.02.22 at 23:53:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Most excellent. I suppose this makes the "POINT Software
comparisons: PROS and CONS" chart at my https://kolico.ca/
fidonet/echos/points/ ..a bit obsolete! :D

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

OK, fine, fair comment.

Regards,
Martin
--- WinPoint 398.2
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

Hello Carlos!

*** Saturday 12.02.22 at 8:16:33, Carlos Navarro wrote to August Abolins:

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

The WinPoint site has been updated - the latest version is already available for download: http://www.winpoint.org/

Yes but nevertheless, the latest version on Tim's site is a full public *beta* release, unless I'm mistaken.

Regards,
Martin
--- WinPoint 398.2
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

Hello Martin Foster!

** On Friday 11.02.22 - 14:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

As Tim has now pulled the old 359.1 version from his site
and replaced it with the current public beta release, most
of the WinPoint "PROS and CONS" are now obsolete, as is my
"Basic Installation Guide". I've pulled the guide from my
site..

So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
be used? If not, maybe the userguide can be archived with the
program since they really go well together.

However, I am full supporter of avoiding programs that have
operational issues and limitations that interfere with a
pleasant consistent experience.

..but whether I write a new one, remains to be seen.

Isn't the install and the initial step-by-step process about
the same?

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what
you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to point
to a subpage or something. Meanwhile, the main table could be
populated with pending CONS for the latest version?

--
../|ug
--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 13.02.22 at 19:45:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

As Tim has now pulled the old 359.1 version from his site and replaced
it with the current public beta release, most of the WinPoint "PROS and
CONS" are now obsolete, as is my "Basic Installation Guide". I've pulled
the guide from my site..

So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
be used?

Yes, that's absolutely correct.

[snip]

However, I am full supporter of avoiding programs that have operational issues and limitations that interfere with a pleasant consistent experience.

Fair comment.

..but whether I write a new one, remains to be seen.

Isn't the install and the initial step-by-step process about the same?

As far as the install goes, it's pretty much the same as it was in 359.1 but some of the wording has changed slightly. However, the initial step-by-step process has changed *dramatically*.

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to what you do with
your "PROS and CONS" chart on your site.

Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to point
to a subpage or something.

Why ??

Meanwhile, the main table could be populated with pending CONS for the latest version?

Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still valid and I can think of at least one addition to the "PROS" :-)

Regards,
Martin
--- WinPoint 398.2
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

Hello Martin Foster!

** On Monday 14.02.22 - 09:01, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
be used?

Yes, that's absolutely correct.

What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1
According to winpoint.org, the older versions are made
available too. :(

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to
what you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your
site.

Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to
point to a subpage or something.

Why ??

'Cuz.. as long as Tim is still offering the older versions, our
combined research on the the PROS and CONS might still be
useful?

Meanwhile, the main table could be populated with pending
CONS for the latest version?

Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still
valid and I can think of at least one addition to the
"PROS" :-)

Let me know which ones are which. I can start to update things
when I remember how I created that page!

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: The ONLY point that matters! --> . <-- (2:221/1.58)

Hello Carlos Navarro!

** On Saturday 12.02.22 - 09:16, Carlos Navarro wrote to August Abolins:

Once a full official version is released, I am prepared to
delete the table. Or.. to update it, somehow.

The WinPoint site has been updated - the latest version is already available for download: http://www.winpoint.org/

The versions are moving along at a nice pace! I guess pretty
much every new release can be considered "official"! <G>

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: The ONLY point that matters! -> . <- (1:396/45.29)

Hello August!

*** Monday 21.02.22 at 14:29, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

So.. should 359.1 be considered "decomissioned"? ..and never to
be used?

Yes, that's absolutely correct.

What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1
According to winpoint.org, the older versions are made
available too. :(

I really can't imagine anyone wanting to dabble with a 15 year old beta
when Tim's pushing out regular updates.

I obviously leave it up to your good judgement as to
what you do with your "PROS and CONS" chart on your
site.

Maybe I can simply create a link to the CONS for 359.1 to
point to a subpage or something.

Why ??

'Cuz.. as long as Tim is still offering the older versions, our
combined research on the the PROS and CONS might still be
useful?

Maybe ?

Meanwhile, the main table could be populated with pending
CONS for the latest version?

Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still
valid and I can think of at least one addition to the
"PROS" :-)

Let me know which ones are which. I can start to update things
when I remember how I created that page!

OK, will do but I don't have time to do that right now, "real life" intervenes :(

Hopefully, I'll have time to do it in the next few days.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

//Hello August,//

on *21.02.22* at *19:29:00* You wrote in Area *POINTS*
to *Martin Foster* about *"WinPoint development"*.

What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1 According to winpoint.org, the older versions are made
available too. :(

I already removed anything prior to 398.2 from the web site.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 400.2
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:310/31.6)

Hello August!

*** Monday 21.02.22 at 14:29, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

Out of the 17 "CONS", there's now only 4 which are still
valid and I can think of at least one addition to the
"PROS" :-)

Let me know which ones are which. I can start to update things
when I remember how I created that page!

OK, here we go :-)

[CONS] The following can be safely removed: -------------------------------------------

- internal editor: ^Y deletes UNDER the current line.

- limited to no extended-ascii support

- does not support incoming areafix lists that are in lowercase [*3]

- sometimes areafix is created for "0:8/15" address.

- received nodelists need manual intervention to \WinpointNL directory

- if you don't specify a domain, WinPoint adds "@" to the end of your AKA [*4]

- when forwarding a post to another echo/area, the Extra/Options/
Templates for the defined header/footer do not get inserted into the new message.

- when replying to a message (echo or netmail) templates (headers/footers)
do not get applied.

- reply window opens up full screen [*5]

- when message sort order is last "set" by Received date or Sent date and newest to oldest, the program will always resort by oldest to newest the
next time the program is run.

- when message sort order is last "set" by Bytes and largest to smallest,
the program will always resort by smallest to largest the next time the program is run.

Footnotes 3,4 and 5 can also be safely removed.

[CONS] I'm unsure about the following:
--------------------------------------

- no highlighting on a search match

- editor on reply removes <CR>'s on a line by line basis; therefore
ordered lists/lines/columnar text in incoming messages become reflowed paragraphs.

And there you have it :-)

The [PROS] section also needs a bit of attention but I'll post my thoughts
in a separate message.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Tim!

*** Wednesday 23.02.22 at 13:05, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to August Abolins:

What if someone comes along and wants to dabble with 359.1 According to
winpoint.org, the older versions are made
available too. :(

I already removed anything prior to 398.2 from the web site.

Smart move :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Thursday 24.02.22 at 09:14, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

And there you have it :-)

Well, almost:

I've just thought of a couple of items which you may like to consider
adding to the "[CONS]" section .....

- no English documentation

- no context sensitive help <F1>

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

*** Thursday 24.02.22 at 09:14, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

The [PROS] section also needs a bit of attention but I'll post my
thoughts in a separate message.

Here we go .....

"[PROS]"

Correction:
-----------
- font size, font colours, background colours customizable in the message reader and in the message editor

Additions:
----------
- fully automatic and/or manual processing of nodelist/pointlist update
files

- integrated hatch manager

- comprehensive codepage support

- support from the developer in the WINPOINT echo

Regarding codepage support, perhaps a footnote listing all supported codepages would be in order.

Currently supported codepages are: IBMPC, CP850, CP852, CP866, CP895,
CP1250, CP1251, CP1252, CP10000, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, UTF-8

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

On 25/2/22 11:08 you wrote:

"[PROS]"

[...]

- comprehensive codepage support

- automatically replies in the same encoding/charset used by the message being replied to.

Carlos
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: Costa Blanca, Spain (2:341/234.12)

//Hello Martin,//

on *24.02.22* at *9:14:00* You wrote in Area *POINTS*
to *August Abolins* about *"WinPoint development"*.

[CONS] I'm unsure about the following: --------------------------------------

- no highlighting on a search match

Still the case. Particularly since the search function mach have multiple matches in the same mail, this would require a mechanism to highligh multiple places in a message, that currently doesn exist.

- editor on reply removes <CR>'s on a line by line basis; therefore ordered lists/lines/columnar text in incoming messages become reflowed paragraphs.

This should be largely adressed by the more intelligent reflow behavior introduced recently in WP. Also, this can be disabled per area.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 400.3
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:310/31.6)

Hello Carlos!

*** Friday 25.02.22 at 17:04, Carlos Navarro wrote to Martin Foster:

"[PROS]"

[...]

- comprehensive codepage support

- automatically replies in the same encoding/charset used by the message being replied to.

Yes, that's worthy of a place in the "[PROS]" column and that's just
prompted me for something else that may be a worthy candidate .....

- charset can be displayed against each message in the message list

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Tim!

*** Friday 25.02.22 at 20:25, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

[CONS] I'm unsure about the following:
--------------------------------------

- no highlighting on a search match

Still the case. Particularly since the search function mach have multiple matches in the same mail, this would require a mechanism to highligh multiple places in a message, that currently doesn exist.

OK and many thanks for clarifying that.

- editor on reply removes <CR>'s on a line by line basis; therefore
ordered lists/lines/columnar text in incoming messages become reflowed
paragraphs.

This should be largely adressed by the more intelligent reflow behavior introduced recently in WP. Also, this can be disabled per area.

OK and many thanks for clarifying that also.

Methinks that just about wraps it up for now, unless anyone else has
anything they think needs adding or removing. At the end of the day, it's entirely up to August's good judgement as to what to do. After all, it's
his comparison chart, not mine :-)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Friday 25.02.22 at 11:08:00, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

The [PROS] section also needs a bit of attention but I'll post my
thoughts in a separate message.

Here we go .....

"[PROS]"

Correction:
-----------
- font size, font colours, background colours customizable in the message reader and in the message editor

Additions:
----------
- fully automatic and/or manual processing of nodelist/pointlist update files

- integrated hatch manager

- comprehensive codepage support

- support from the developer in the WINPOINT echo

Regarding codepage support, perhaps a footnote listing all supported codepages would be in order.

Currently supported codepages are: IBMPC, CP850, CP852, CP866, CP895, CP1250, CP1251, CP1252, CP10000, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-2, UTF-8

Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

- supports IPv6

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 403.0
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:280/464.27)

Hello Martin,

On Sunday 06.03.22, you wrote to August Abolins:

Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

- supports IPv6

Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement. Perhaps OpenXP could have that consideration too! :D

Apoint is definately one to drop for all intents and purposes, I guess.

../|ug
--- WinPoint 398.2
* Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 06.03.22 at 13:00:42, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

- supports IPv6

Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement.

Not being a programmer, I couldn't really comment about its implementation.

Perhaps OpenXP could have that consideration too! :D

Gunter implemented IPv6 for POP3, SMTP and NNTP a long time ago but for some unknown reason, he didn't implement it for Fido-over-IP ??

Apoint is definately one to drop for all intents and purposes, I guess.

Nope, I have to disagree on the following grounds .....
- its message marking system is absolutely magnificent
- it fully supports styled text
- it still supports POTS
- it includes email and news clients(dial-up)

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 403.0
* Origin: WinPoint Test Rig - UK - (2:280/464.27)

Hello August!

*** Monday 07.03.22 at 11:40:50, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Here's another one for the "[PROS]" section .....

- supports IPv6

Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement.

Not being a programmer, I couldn't really comment about its implementation.

Hmmmm, from what's been going on elsewhere over the last few days, it would seem that it's far from fairly simple to implement.

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint 404.0
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:280/464.27)

//Hello Martin,//

on *13.03.22* at *8:19:17* You wrote in Area *POINTS*
to *August Abolins* about *"WinPoint development"*.

- supports IPv6

Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement.

Not being a programmer, I couldn't really comment about its
implementation.

Hmmmm, from what's been going on elsewhere over the last few days, it would seem that it's far from fairly simple to implement.

Nope, the discussion about WPs IPv6 handling is totally misleading. It works,is correct and needs no improvement. Period. Any suggestion that current state is flawed, non-standard or whatever is simply wrong. The rest of the discussion is partially even beyond academic.

Regards,
Tim

--- WinPoint 407.0
* Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:310/31.6)

Hello Tim!

*** Monday 14.03.22 at 19:21, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to Martin Foster:

- supports IPv6

Yes.. I read about that one. So, it's fairly simple to implement.

Not being a programmer, I couldn't really comment about its
implementation.

Hmmmm, from what's been going on elsewhere over the last few days, it
would seem that it's far from fairly simple to implement.

Nope, the discussion about WPs IPv6 handling is totally misleading. It works,is correct and needs no improvement. Period. Any suggestion that current state is flawed, non-standard or whatever is simply wrong. The rest of the discussion is partially even beyond academic.

Many thanks indeed for clarifying the situation, much appreciated.

Keep up the good work :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.51
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)