On 06 May 2024, Dan Clough said the following...

Anyone asking a question like that would deserve to get flamed. Not in
a million years would I ask that question. It would be "for Slackware 15.0", or perhaps "Slackware-current". No real Slacker would ask such a stupid thing.

instead of attacking the point ("slackware as you use it refers to both slackware-current AND slackware-stable") you attack the example used to
make the point.

I won't quibble over what "small" and "lot" mean. However many there
are, there are *FAR* more using a release version.

goalpost moving

But what would I know? I've only been using it for 26 years. <SHRUG>

appeal to age basically. i've been using it just as long. so what?

.. you're full of the same shit you ridicule everyone else for.

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Alexander Grotewohl wrote to Dan Clough <=-

On 06 May 2024, Dan Clough said the following...

Anyone asking a question like that would deserve to get flamed. Not in
a million years would I ask that question. It would be "for Slackware 15.0", or perhaps "Slackware-current". No real Slacker would ask such a stupid thing.

instead of attacking the point ("slackware as you use it refers
to both slackware-current AND slackware-stable") you attack the
example used to make the point.

Wrong, dipshit. You make an ASSUMPTION as to HOW I used the term
Slackware, and you were wrong. When I say Slackware, I mean a release
version of Slackware (most likely 15.0). If I wanted to reference
-current, I would say that.

I won't quibble over what "small" and "lot" mean. However many there
are, there are *FAR* more using a release version.

goalpost moving

Strike two. Not goalpost moving, just trying to clarify your usage of
vague terms. But you don't want to clarify that, because then your
"argument" fails.

But what would I know? I've only been using it for 26 years. <SHRUG>

appeal to age basically. i've been using it just as long. so
what?

Just an illustration of being familiar with the distro.

.. you're full of the same shit you ridicule everyone else for.

You seem quite confused. Maybe you're just ignorant, or stupid. I don't care, either way.



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Just remember one thing, Google is your best friend with Linux...

I can also suggest ChatGPT. Especially if you need to write a small script or something, and you are not much of a programmer, (or scripting expert)

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Also, I like to focus on stable releases vs rolling releases. Just don't have the energy to troubleshoot rolling releases. Back in my day, sure..... No kids, no responsiblities, etc....

I feel the same way. I use Arch for a few years, I did enjoy it, but now using Debian. I would not normally suggest using Debian, but the with the newest version I could absolutely suggest it for most people now.
I was not really into the rolling release with Arch, it was the AUR that attracted me. But with Flatpack getting much better, as well is discovering distrobox, I have filled the need with getting new packages. Its been 20 years since I moved to Linux, so if I really need to I am more comfortable building from source if need be.

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On 07 May 2024, Dan Clough said the following...

Wrong, dipshit. You make an ASSUMPTION as to HOW I used the term Slackware, and you were wrong. When I say Slackware, I mean a release version of Slackware (most likely 15.0). If I wanted to reference -current, I would say that.

i'll be watching for when you do it again ;)

Strike two. Not goalpost moving, just trying to clarify your usage of vague terms. But you don't want to clarify that, because then your "argument" fails.

goalpost moving indeed.

Just an illustration of being familiar with the distro.

not very then?

.. you're full of the same shit you ridicule everyone else for.

You seem quite confused. Maybe you're just ignorant, or stupid. I
don't care, either way.

you seem to care quite a bit. every response you post, to pretty much anyone, is full of vitriol. you blow your lid anytime somebody questions you.

you also seem to be less happy that half the US population. are you perhaps a Democrat? ;)

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I feel the same way. I use Arch for a few years, I did enjoy it, but now using Debian. I would not normally suggest using Debian, but the with
the newest version I could absolutely suggest it for most people now.
I was not really into the rolling release with Arch, it was the AUR that attracted me. But with Flatpack getting much better, as well is discovering distrobox, I have filled the need with getting new packages. Its been 20 years since I moved to Linux, so if I really need to I am
more comfortable building from source if need be.

Got'cha... There is to much other things in a day that need to get accomplished, which is why I moved from Gentoo after a couple years into debian base distros. I mainly use them only for servers, but recently purchased a mini pc and setup PopOS.

PopOS as some may know is building their new cosmic desktop so they are lagging behind in some areas. But I'm still getting updated packages via flatpak, including Amiberry which required different dependencies if installing as a .deb. This is where flatpak is nice, grant you I have some other issues in terms of host-run support since it's running in a sandbox.

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On Mon, 6 May 2024 03:28:36 -0400, Mike -> Al Derosa wrote:

I'm a former slackware and gentoo user. I use mainly Debian for my
servers and and PopOS as my desktop.

I used Gentoo for quite some time, as well. It was fun while it lasted, but I ended up going to a binary package management system.

Also, I like to focus on stable releases vs rolling releases. Just don't have the energy to troubleshoot rolling releases. Back in my day,
sure..... No kids, no responsiblities, etc....

I remember Gentoo having a lot of issues if you weren't paying attention, so maybe that's where the "rolling release" got many of it's complaints from. However, I've been using Archlinux for over 10 years now, and have had to "troubleshoot" maybe three times in that entire duration. Many times there is a mail or announcement that a package may be bad and/or broke some dependencies, so if you want to avoid issues, don't upgrade for a couple days (until the problem is fixed).

Not being on a set schedule for upgrading or anything, it doesn't bother me one bit waiting another day, week, month, whatever to upgrade packages.

Regards,
Nick

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On 07 May 2024, Lloyd Alexandre said the following...

I can also suggest ChatGPT. Especially if you need to write a small
script or something, and you are not much of a programmer, (or scripting expert)

Very good point!! I need to remember that..

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installing as a .deb. This is where flatpak is nice, grant you I have
some other issues in terms of host-run support since it's running in a sandbox.

I get you, but this is where Flatseal can help in certain situations with that. Helps give you control over socket, devices and file-system access for any particular flatpak

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Has anyone moved from Windows to Linux??

Just wondering...

Everything is compatible as far as data files so you just need to replace the Mystic binaries from the old system with the new ones. And then you have to go into mystic -cfg and change the paths. The big ones I can think of are the System Directories section and also message bases have their path configured in each base I believe, and of course file bases have files stored places, etc. Basically anywhere that has a path will need updating but otherwise it is doable.

If the file system is the case sensitive like if you are moving from Windows to Linux then you need to make sure those match up too.

https://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=faq#migrate_mystic_to_different_os

There is a little bit in the FAQ although it could be a little outdated.

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Just for clarification... Slackware is not a rolling release. Many
would consider it the very definition of "stable". It's also not really a great choice for beginners, since that is sort of the topic of this thread.

While I didn't start with Slackware as my first 'distro' (I started with SLS), I still think that if you actually take the time, Slackware would
be a better distro to learn from. But that's my $0.02.

That said, a lot of packages are so 'in tune' (for lack of a better word) with those package-managers, it is a little more difficult to get stuff
built. (Recently, tried to install MongoDB on Slackware 15.0... it
was a pain. Even with Slackbuilds.org.)

(long-time and current Slackware user) ;-)

Ditto here.

Ed

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