Hi All...

Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at these prices!
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That is a lot of money.

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Hi Dr...

That is a lot of money.

oh.. here's the bonus:

"Books are signed and numbered, with printed endpapers, foil stamping, a cloth slipcase, and a ribbon marker."

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oh.. here's the bonus:
"Books are signed and numbered, with printed endpapers, foil stamping, a cloth slipcase, and a ribbon marker."

Ahhh well then that makes it worth it ?

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Mind you he's seriously popular so there'll be people who want to buy that.

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Hi All...

Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at these prices!
https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/63728653.jpg

That's a crazy price for a novel. How the hell do they justify that?

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oh.. here's the bonus:

"Books are signed and numbered, with printed endpapers, foil stamping, a cloth slipcase, and a ribbon marker."

Ridiculous.

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oh.. here's the bonus:
"Books are signed and numbered, with printed endpapers, foil stamping, a
cloth slipcase, and a ribbon marker."

Ridiculous.
JD

Agreed

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Hi John...

Hi All...
Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
these
prices!
https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/63728653.jpg

That's a crazy price for a novel. How the hell do they justify that?
JD

I could ask them! I'm curious to know just how many numbered copies they usuasly produce. They come in a carton of 12, so.. there's at least 12. :D ..but they are NOT returnable.

You know, with all the "extras"[1] $50 would be approaching a ripoff. $250 is just blatant robbery.

JD


[1] Most of the so called extras are often included at no extra charge when you print in bulk.
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Hello John!

That's a crazy price for a novel. How the hell do they
justify that? JD

I could ask them! I'm curious to know just how many
numbered copies they usuasly produce. They come in a
carton of 12, so.. there's at least 12. :D ..but they
are NOT returnable.

You know, with all the "extras"[1] $50 would be
approaching a ripoff. $250 is just blatant robbery. [1]
Most of the so called extras are often included at no
extra charge when you print in bulk.

I got a half-answer:

From: August
Sent: November-14-22 3:54 PM
To: 'Davis, Anyka (She/Her)'
Subject: biloxi, grisham..

[1] How many of these are being printed?

The Boys from Biloxi - Limited Edition
A Legal Thriller
By (author): John Grisham
9780385548946

[2] In these days of people looking for lower prices of books, and ebooks, HOW does RH justify printing these editions and at that the $324 price?


From: Davis, Anyka (She/Her)
[mailto:######@penguinrandomhouse.com]
Sent: November-14-22 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: biloxi, grisham..

Oh! The special signed edition! Very few of these are being printed, I'd say under 200 copies. These are mostly for special orders. We've had asks in the past for special editions, so this is in part an answer to that.

Anyka Davis (she/her)
District Sales Manager, Quebec & Atlantic Canada / Central Canada
Penguin Random House Canada
320 Front Street W., Suite 1400
Toronto, ON M5V 3B6
P: (647) 253-7009 | 817009
C: (647) 282-6417

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Hello John!

That's a crazy price for a novel. How the hell do they
justify that? JD

I could ask them! I'm curious to know just how many
numbered copies they usuasly produce. They come in a
carton of 12, so.. there's at least 12. :D ..but they
are NOT returnable.

You know, with all the "extras"[1] $50 would be
approaching a ripoff. $250 is just blatant robbery. [1]
Most of the so called extras are often included at no
extra charge when you print in bulk.

I got a half-answer:

From: August
Sent: November-14-22 3:54 PM
To: 'Davis, Anyka (She/Her)'
Subject: biloxi, grisham..

[1] How many of these are being printed?

The Boys from Biloxi - Limited Edition
A Legal Thriller
By (author): John Grisham
9780385548946

[2] In these days of people looking for lower prices of books, and ebooks, HOW does RH justify printing these editions and at that the $324 price?

From: Davis, Anyka (She/Her)
[mailto:######@penguinrandomhouse.com]
Sent: November-14-22 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: biloxi, grisham..

Oh! The special signed edition! Very few of these are being printed, I'd say under 200 copies. These are mostly for special orders. We've had asks in the past for special editions, so this is in part an answer to that.

Anyka Davis (she/her)
District Sales Manager, Quebec & Atlantic Canada / Central Canada
Penguin Random House Canada
320 Front Street W., Suite 1400
Toronto, ON M5V 3B6
P: (647) 253-7009 | 817009
C: (647) 282-6417

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As soon as I see the virtue signaling (she/her) I disregard everything said.

I hear ya. But that is what I must contend with. It is too bad that the person in that official full-time job needs to use the signature as their platform to keep announcing their pronouns.


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John Dovey wrote to August Abolins <=-

Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
these prices!
https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/63728653.jpg

That's a crazy price for a novel. How the hell do they justify that?

They don't have to "justify" it. If there wasn't a demand for it, they wouldn't do it. Obviously some people are willing to pay that.

I could ask them! I'm curious to know just how many numbered copies they usuasly produce. They come in a carton of 12, so.. there's at least 12. :D ..but they are NOT returnable.

You know, with all the "extras"[1] $50 would be approaching a
ripoff. $250 is just blatant robbery.

Then don't buy one. Are you being forced to buy one?



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August Abolins wrote to John Dovey <=-

As soon as I see the virtue signaling (she/her) I disregard everything said.

I hear ya. But that is what I must contend with. It is too bad
that the person in that official full-time job needs to use the
signature as their platform to keep announcing their pronouns.

Yeah... It's kinda like contending with lack of context/quoting,
mal-formed messages, and borked formatting when reading a FidoNet
echomail area where people using 'telegram' feel the need to "do
something different", even though it ruins the experience for most
others, because they think it's cool. Right?



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August Abolins wrote to John Dovey <=-

As soon as I see the virtue signaling (she/her) I disregard everything
said.

I hear ya. But that is what I must contend with. It is too bad
that the person in that official full-time job needs to use the
signature as their platform to keep announcing their pronouns.

Yeah... It's kinda like contending with lack of context/quoting,

mal-formed messages, and borked formatting when reading a FidoNet

echomail area where people using 'telegram' feel the need to "do

something different", even though it ruins the experience for most

others, because they think it's cool. Right?

We've already shown you that's not the case.

JD

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You know, with all the "extras"[1] $50 would be approaching a
ripoff. $250 is just blatant robbery.

Then don't buy one. Are you being forced to buy one

So your philosophy is that it doesn't matter if someone is engaging in immoral exploitation, you'll just stand by and let it happen to everyone unless it's you who is being exploited.

Ok, got it.

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John Dovey wrote to Dan Clough <=-

You know, with all the "extras"[1] $50 would be approaching a
ripoff. $250 is just blatant robbery.

Then don't buy one. Are you being forced to buy one?

So your philosophy is that it doesn't matter if someone is
engaging in immoral exploitation, you'll just stand by and let it
happen to everyone unless it's you who is being exploited.

LOL! Are you effin kidding me? How did you get anything about "my philosophy" out of what I said there?

Please explain how you consider offering a custom/personalized *BOOK*
for sale is "exploiting" anyone or anything. Seriously. It's offered
for sale to those who might want it. Nobody is being forced to do
anything, nor being exploited. What exactly is "immoral" about it?
What are you even talking about?

Ok, got it.

I really don't think you do.


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Re: Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
By: August Abolins to John Dovey on Mon Nov 14 2022 05:53 pm

[2] In these days of people looking for lower prices of books, and ebooks, HOW does

Actually, in the RPG world (as in actual tabletop RPG games) there has been a tendency
for increasing quality at the expense of quantity and price for quite a while.

I have noticed many RPG manuals come with thicker paper, better inking, more illustrations... you name it. Many of these manuals don't feel like field manuals
(like early D&D books) but rather stuff made to be read at home. IN fact I tipically
keep the manuals at home and take cheap photocopies to the table. This behavious is
encouraged by the publishers.

You can see a similar effect in boardgames. Gamers prefer a game to have big plastic
detailed figurines rather than cardboard tokens even if that means they pay premium
for it.

What I mean is that there is a niche for hobbyists who are willing to spend loads of
money without a need for it.

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Re: Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
By: John Dovey to August Abolins on Mon Nov 14 2022 07:56 pm

As soon as I see the virtue signaling (she/her) I disregard everything said.

JD

But she/her provided a lot of information. Specially, which publisher NOT to buy from
XD

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Hello Richard!

As soon as I see the virtue signaling (she/her) I disregard
everything said.

But she/her provided a lot of information. Specially,
which publisher NOT to buy from XD

PenguinRandomHouse is huge. Personally, I like their ordering
system. Also, their catalog of titles is immense; it's nice to
be able to find practically any book with PRH and never have an
issue fulling a minimum order.

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Hello John!

$250 is just blatant robbery.

I'm sure the Limited Editions are very nicely built.

Obama's book:

A Promised Land | Hardcover
Barack Obama
Pblisher: Crown
Biography & Autobiography / Presidents & Heads of State / Political Science / American Government - Executive Branch / History / United States - 21st Century
Published Nov 17, 2020
$45.00 US / $55.00 CA list price

..seemed like an impressive volume in terms of material
quality. Someone remarked "it was designed to last".

Even this one seemed quite impressive at the price:

Telephone Tales | Hardcover
Gianni Rodari | Valerio Vidali | Antony Shugaar
Enchanted Lion Books | Enchanted Lion Books
Juvenile Fiction / Humorous Stories / Imagination & Play / Short Stories
Ages 8-12
Published Sep 18, 2020
$27.95 US / $41.95 CA list price

"Every night, at nine o'clock, wherever he is, Mr. Bianchi, an
accountant who often has to travel for work, calls his daughter
and tells her a bedtime story. But since it's still the 20th
century world of pay phones, each story has to be told in the
time that a single coin will buy.

"Reminiscent of Scheherazade and One Thousand and One Nights,
Gianni Rodari's Telephone Tales is composed of many stories--in
fact, seventy short stories, with one for each phone call. Each
story is set in a different place and a different time, with
unconventional characters and a wonderful mix of reality and
fantasy. One night, it's a carousel so beloved by children that
an old man finally sneaks on to understand why, and as he sails
above the world, he does. Or, it's a land filled with butter
men, roads paved with chocolate, or a young shrimp who has the
courage to do things in a different way from what he's supposed
to do.

It's an entertaining piece of construction in addition to the
stories within.
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Actually, in the RPG world (as in actual tabletop RPG
games) there has been a tendency for increasing quality at
the expense of quantity and price for quite a while.

And where is that so-called quality being produced? China?

I'm repeatedly disappointed that many books have "printed/
bound/manufactured" in China markers.

I have noticed many RPG manuals come with thicker paper,
better inking, more illustrations... you name it. ...

There is still something quite satisfying holding a well-made
book.

[...]

What I mean is that there is a niche for hobbyists who are
willing to spend loads of money without a need for it.

Going back to the Grisham Limited-Edition at $325CDN, it seems
a crazy high price though for a contemporary, short-chapters
style book, and something that might only be read once, or
never at all, and primarily only "collected". He's not even
that old to be considered collection-worthy, born in 1955.

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Re: Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
By: August Abolins to Richard Falken on Wed Nov 16 2022 08:54 am

Actually, in the RPG world (as in actual tabletop RPG
games) there has been a tendency for increasing quality at
the expense of quantity and price for quite a while.

And where is that so-called quality being produced? China?

I just checked a random premium book from Nosolorol from my shelf. A Spanish company
is listed as the printer and the inner credits identify the book as printed in Spain.

Boardgames are massively produced in China, though, with some exceptions. I keep
thinking of buying this horse-themed board game (Winners Circle) but the only edition
worth it is Korean and costs more than a kidney transplant - including the price of
having the mafia kidnap a kid and extract his kidney for you.

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Actually, in the RPG world (as in actual tabletop RPG
games) there has been a tendency for increasing quality at
the expense of quantity and price for quite a while.

And where is that so-called quality being produced? China?

I'm repeatedly disappointed that many books have "printed/ bound/manufactured" in China markers.

China is simply more competitive. Some years back I published a coffee table style book, a Regimental History, with lots of photos and diagrams so it made sense to have it all done nicely in colour.

I costed it out to print locally and in China. there was no comparison. The China cost included all those "extra" features such as chicken embossing, satin book marker, fancy end-sheets etc. It was also hand-stiched not machine. Cost price was half the price of the local cost but for five times the number... that is local price was R120000 for 1000 copies. China cost was R60000 for 5000 copies. That's shipping to SA included.
I flew to Shanghai to to the QA checks which were perfect and still made a huge profit
This is why I say charging that amount for the "premium edition" is ridiculous. Make a profit, sure, but don't blatantly rip people off.

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Hi John...

And where is that so-called quality being produced? China?
I'm repeatedly disappointed that many books have "printed/
bound/manufactured" in China markers.

China is simply more competitive. Some years back I published a coffee table style book, a Regimental History, with lots of photos and diagrams so it made sense to have it all done nicely in colour.
I costed it out to print locally and in China. there was no comparison. The China cost included all those "extra" features such as chicken embossing, satin book marker, fancy end-sheets etc. It was also hand-stiched not machine. Cost price was half the price of the local cost but for five times the number... that is local price was R120000 for 1000 copies. China cost was R60000 for 5000 copies. That's shipping to SA included.
I flew to Shanghai to to the QA checks which were perfect and still made a huge profit
This is why I say charging that amount for the "premium edition" is ridiculous. Make a profit, sure, but don't blatantly rip people off.
JD

R60000 = approx $3K? For 5000 copies that's pretty good. A local author, the subject of "The Last Guide" , had the hardcover version of his book printed in China for $3/copy, DELIVERED. And he retailed his book at $35 a piece. So, there is plenty of room for profit, and consequently plenty of room to be less greedy. ;)

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I just checked a random premium book from Nosolorol from
my shelf. A Spanish company is listed as the printer and
the inner credits identify the book as printed in Spain.

Nice. Their catalog seems mostly graphic novels?

Boardgames are massively produced in China, though, with
some exceptions. I keep thinking of buying this horse-
themed board game (Winners Circle) but the only edition
worth it is Korean..

Why would you want the Korean edition?

and costs more than a kidney transplant
- including the price of having the mafia kidnap a kid and
extract his kidney for you.

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Re: Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
By: August Abolins to Richard Falken on Wed Nov 16 2022 07:21 pm

I just checked a random premium book from Nosolorol from
my shelf. A Spanish company is listed as the printer and
the inner credits identify the book as printed in Spain.

Nice. Their catalog seems mostly graphic novels?

Boardgames are massively produced in China, though, with
some exceptions. I keep thinking of buying this horse-
themed board game (Winners Circle) but the only edition
worth it is Korean..

Why would you want the Korean edition?

and costs more than a kidney transplant
- including the price of having the mafia kidnap a kid and
extract his kidney for you.

LOL.
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Nosolorol's catalog is mostly RPG manuals. They have some fiction and some gamebooks,
but it is an RPG company at heart. They have a number of comic-based RPGs too.

The reason for wanting the Korean edition is that it is better built. The horse figurines are more solid and the board more sturdy. The current Spanish edition retails at deluxe prices but you'd think you are gonna break the horses when grabbing
them. As you know, I like it the other way around - I want to be grabbed by a horse
with force just bellow my breaking point :-)

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Re: Hard to believe that publishers still entertain limited editions at
By: August Abolins to Richard Falken on Wed Nov 16 2022 08:54 am

Actually, in the RPG world (as in actual tabletop RPG
games) there has been a tendency for increasing quality at
the expense of quantity and price for quite a while.

And where is that so-called quality being produced? China?

I just checked a random premium book from Nosolorol from my shelf. A Spanish company
is listed as the printer and the inner credits identify the book as printed in Spain.
Boardgames are massively produced in China, though, with some exceptions. I keep
thinking of buying this horse-themed board game (Winners Circle) but the only edition
worth it is Korean and costs more than a kidney transplant - including the price of
having the mafia kidnap a kid and extract his kidney for you.
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