Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hej Andy!

How do you feel about the zen kernel?

Up to now, I have no feelings for it one way or the other. At present
I am sticking with the regular kernel source and gcc. I do have clang
and rustc but never use it for anything other than to make things like firefox happy. Personally I can live without it especially considering github which I tend to avoid wherever possible.

Maybe some future date but right now I am still having fun with gcc and the standard kernel sources obtained from kernel.org;

I have Manjaro on my desktop (MD Ryzen 7 5700G), which I use daily. I have a laptop that I use infrequently
lately, that runs Arch and I've installed a zen kernel from the Arch repo. So basically, I haven't used it much
or done any benchmarking. At this point in my life, I just don't know if I have a need for balance or less
latency. ;) :)


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Hej Andy!

I have Manjaro on my desktop (MD Ryzen 7 5700G), which I use daily.

My main toy is a Ryzen 7 7840HS which is currently being used to reply to your reply to me. It is running a modified "Linux From Scratch".

I have a laptop that I use infrequently lately, that runs Arch and
I've installed a zen kernel from the Arch repo.

I'd *really* like to see the output of /proc/version from that machine. As we speak mine shows;

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.12 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260609, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 9 22:10:20 UTC 2026

I just don't know if I have a need for balance or less latency. ;) :)

For me it has more to do with keeping myself busy having fun rather than sitting/laying around waiting for the worms.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hej Andy!

I have Manjaro on my desktop (MD Ryzen 7 5700G), which I use daily.

My main toy is a Ryzen 7 7840HS which is currently being used to reply
to your reply to me. It is running a modified "Linux From Scratch".

Nice! I did Linux from Scratch a couple times but I never used it long-term.

I have a laptop that I use infrequently lately, that runs Arch and
I've installed a zen kernel from the Arch repo.

I'd *really* like to see the output of /proc/version from that machine.
As we speak mine shows;

<Esc>:read /proc/version

Linux version 7.0.12 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260609, GNU
ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 9 22:10:20 UTC 2026

11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1165G7 @ 2.80GHz

Linux version 7.0.11-zen1-1-zen (linux-zen@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260430, GNU ld
(GNU Binutils) 2.46.0) #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue, 02 Jun 2026 18:26:42 +0000

I just don't know if I have a need for balance or less latency. ;) :)

For me it has more to do with keeping myself busy having fun rather
than sitting/laying around waiting for the worms.

Right. :) I did this years ago, after noticing comments in config files aren't usually translated. How do you like it? Pretty simple, though I suppose a more experienced developer might change a few things.

https://github.com/theimpossibleastronaut/rmw/blob/1cd2f1065108afadbf2e493d797b 263370d4b9b/src/config_rmw.c#L41

Of course, that actually is dependent on translators coming by to do translations...

I assume you're somewhat familiar with GNU gettext? The strings get written to po files...

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Hello Maurice!

09 Jun 2026 14:23, Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt:

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.11 (root@europoint) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260601, GNU
ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Jun 2 01:13:45 UTC 2026

have 7.0.12 on tux, have not that kerne imho here yet, about zen, see a vps host at bitfolk.com

i will consider them, just not for now, gentoo is supported, so i have to learn zen first


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Hej Benny!

about zen, see a vps host at bitfolk.com

I looked at https://bitfolk.com/techspec.html. I don't believe Xen and Zen are the same thing though.

i will consider them, just not for now, gentoo is supported, so i
have to learn zen first

From the little I know about it mostly comes from reading kernel docs. As far as gentoo is concerned I see in "linux-7.0.12/Documentation/rust/quick-start.rst" the following;

--- ye ol' cut n' paste starts
Gentoo Linux
************

Gentoo Linux (and especially the testing branch) provides recent Rust releases and thus it should generally work out of the box, e.g.::

USE='rust-src rustfmt clippy' emerge dev-lang/rust dev-util/bindgen

``LIBCLANG_PATH`` may need to be set.
--- ye ol' cut n' paste ends

As far as my hack n' slash system is concerned it lacks llvm's linker 'ld.lld'. I did take care of it on one of my test builds, but "make LLVM=1" failed to crapped out about 5 minutes into compilng. I was using unpatched kernel source downloaded from kernel.org. The same source worked for "make CC=clang" using the usual suspect 'ld.bfd' from binutils.

I'll probably keep plugging along with gcc for most of what I need linuxie-speaking.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: Zen
By: Maurice Kinal to Benny Pedersen on Sun Jun 14 2026 21:07:08

I did take care of it on one of my test builds, but "make LLVM=1" failed to crapped out about 5 minutes into compilng.

So, you were expecting it to crap out?
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Hej Mortar!

So, you were expecting it to crap out?

Yes, except I didn't think it would get as far as it did. I am sure I am missing something with llvm and/or rustc. As we speak I figure my rustc build is the culprit given that clang worked.

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Hej Mortar!

So, you were expecting it to crap out?

I was also expecting this one to crap out;

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.12 (root@europoint) (clang version 22.1.8, LLD 22.1.8) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Jun 19 05:01:10 UTC 2026

It was built using the finest source readily available from the good people at kernel.org.

Het leven is goed,
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