Hey Alan!

It just displays an image on the screen and puts the grub menu on top of it.

I've seen things like that. Also a fb init thingy but I forget now what it was called.

Totally unimportant but a nice touch.

That sometimes works for me. ;-)

Life is good,
Maurice

o- -o -o -o -o -o -o o- o- -o o- -o o- -o -o -o /) (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) (\ /) (\ /) (\ (\ (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - Sweet Sixteen Penguins of the Apocalypse.
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Hello Alan!

15 Feb 2023 18:25, Alan Ianson wrote to Maurice Kinal:

No kidding. Just ran into a glitch with grub on both uefi and legacy
with kv-6.1.12 so rather than downgrade the kernel I opted out for taking
a grub-git out for a cruise. It worked!!! I just got it working about
half an hour ago and am currently bringing everything back into sync on
this overpriced toy.

kv-6.1.12? I'll have to go grab it.

that was yesterday :=)

At the moment LFS has the boot but if I run into trouble I'll boot
with slackware.

so slack does work sometimes ? :)

What a pain but I think it'll be worth it.

Yep, I am just working on some depenencies for the desktop. I'm going
to have a go at getting xorg and friends installed tonight. If I
succeed I'll be building an xfce desktop tomorrow.

+1

I just updated the kernel to 6.1.9 earlier today and I see
penguins here on my bios boot machine.

No love here yet but closing in on it. I currently have two legacy
machines I can try it out on. I figure by the weekend I *should* have a
working legacy boot but no promises on boot penguins as both are i915. I
may switch one to a uefi later.

I don't see the penguins until the screen goes blank (kernel
modesetting I think) and then they show up after that. I never saw
them until I added the nouveau module.

let the penguins live in south pole :)

I have the boot logo selected in ..
make menuconfig -> Device Drivers -> Graphics support
It's right at the bottom.

zgrep LOGO /proc/config.gz


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

that was yesterday :=)

:r /proc/version

Linux version 6.2.1 (root@motorshed) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.40) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sat Feb 25 19:22:13 UTC 2023

Life is good,
Maurice

-o o- -o o- -o o- -o o- -o o- o- o- -o o- o- o-
(\ /) (\ /) (\ /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /) (\ /) /) /)
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kv-6.1.12? I'll have to go grab it.

that was yesterday :=)

Yes, kv-6.2.1 is building as we speak.. ;)

so slack does work sometimes ? :)

Slackware works all the time. It is brilliant.

let the penguins live in south pole :)

I have penguins now.

I was just looking at the golded source and there is an ebuild in the contrib directory. Have you ever tried that? It may be old, I'm not sure.

I recently redid my partition scheme here and I added a space for gentoo on it. There is no file system on it yet but when I get some stuff out of the way I plan to do that and have a fresh look at gentoo.

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Hey Benny!

that was yesterday :=)

:r /proc/version

Linux version 6.2.1 (root@motorshed) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.40) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sat Feb 25 19:22:13 UTC 2023

I knew you'd be on that! :)

One thing I noticed when I ran make oldconfig is that the nfs v4 server is enabled by default now. I was thinking of enabling that for a look but so far I have stuck with v3. Look like v4 is on now.

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Hey Alan!

I knew you'd be on that! :)

I couldn't resist. On the plus side, everything is still working including the patched grub, although I am seriously thinking of switching back to the git grub just so I'm ready when it finally gets updated. I am guessing a new version isn't too far away.

One thing I noticed when I ran make oldconfig is that the nfs v4
server is enabled by default now.

My neighbour "He who is Paul" says that he was enabling all versions when he last used nfs. Like me he now uses sshfs instead since it is far less complicated to set up and use. I never used nfs that much way back when and quit looking at it back in the late 1990's.

Life is good,
Maurice

-o -o o- -o
(\ (\ /) (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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Do not betray a dear friend, but always hold to the right way.
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One thing I noticed when I ran make oldconfig is that the nfs v4
server is enabled by default now.

nfs is still working as expected here. I haven't told either side to use v3 or v4 but they connect fine. There is no mention in the logs what version they use but it's happy whatever it is.

My neighbour "He who is Paul" says that he was enabling all versions when he last used nfs. Like me he now uses sshfs instead since it is far less complicated to set up and use. I never used nfs that much way back when and quit looking at it back in the late 1990's.

I have all of that installed but none of it configured. Maybe I should get to it.

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Hey Nick!

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.3 (root@itsii) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue May 5 02:11:15 UTC 2026

This makes two that are up to speed, both of which have fidonet msg'ing capabilities. It still matters to me.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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(\ /) (\ /) /) (\ (\ /) (\ (\ /) /)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Don't cry for me I have vi.
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Hey Maurice!

On Tue, May 05 2026 14:22:12 -0500, you wrote:

Linux version 7.0.3 (root@itsii) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.0, GNU ld (GNU
Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue May 5
02:11:15 UTC 2026

Linux version 7.0.3-arch1-2 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260430, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri, 01 May 2026 15:49:22 +0000

This makes two that are up to speed, both of which have fidonet
msg'ing capabilities. It still matters to me.

That depends on what you consider "up to speed" (note the gcc version above). ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nick!

(note the gcc version above). ;)

Yeah, yeah, whatever. I noticed the first time you posted it. Only about 48 hours difference so I can't imagine it being all that different. Is it? ;-)

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Sorrow and sleep both together often bind the wretched solitary person.
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Hey Maurice!

On Tue, 05 May 2026 23:23:02 , you wrote:

(note the gcc version above). ;)

Yeah, yeah, whatever. I noticed the first time you posted it. Only
about 48 hours difference so I can't imagine it being all that
different. Is it? ;-)

That's funny, I posted it because I had just noticed. ;)

.. and no, I doubt it's much different. Hopefully just a spelling error in a comment, or something.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nick!

That's funny, I posted it because I had just noticed. ;)

I saw it on you prior post about linux-7.0.3 but forgot to check the dates. Here is what the gcc ftp sire reports;

-rw-r--r-- 1 2168 2125 98928272 Apr 25 22:35 gcc-16-20260425.tar.xz -rw-r--r-- 1 2168 2125 102456900 Apr 30 09:08 gcc-16.1.0.tar.xz

Note that the official release is newer by four and a half days. Given that 6.1.0 likely has the more up to date spelling errors.

$ echo 102456900 - 98928272 | bc
3528628

I am guestimating ~3528628 bytes of compressed new and improved spelling errors.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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(\ /) /) /) /) /) /) /) (\ /) (\ (\
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... Wineleas wonsælig mon genimeð him wulfas to geferan.
A friendless, unfortunate man takes wolves as his companions.
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Hey Maurice!

On Tue, May 05 2026 21:24:51 -0500, you wrote:

Apr 30 09:08 gcc-16.1.0.tar.xz

Note that the official release is newer by four and a half days.
Given that 6.1.0 likely has the more up to date spelling errors.

Newer than what? My version is 20260430, so it must have been a hotfix patch the same day as the official release, or something in those lines.

Now that you posted a May date of the same version (16.1.1), I'm confused.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nick!

Newer than what? My version is 20260430, so it must have been a
hotfix patch

I was comparing snapshots at the gcc site since I am not privy to archlinux hacks.

Now that you posted a May date of the same version (16.1.1), I'm
confused.

I got it from the gcc git server. It's all about access.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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/) (\ (\ /) (\ /) (\ /) (\ (\ /) (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Þæs ofereode, þisses swa mæg.
That passed away; so will this.
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Hey Maurice!

On Wed, May 06 2026 17:41:58 -0500, you wrote:

It's all about access.

$ cat /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.7-arch2-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260430, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 14 May 2026 22:28:27 +0000

Crazyness, I tell ya! I think this is the third kernel update this week. :|

Regards,
Nick

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It's all about access.

$ cat /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.7-arch2-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260430, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 14 May 2026 22:28:27 +0000

Crazyness, I tell ya! I think this is the third kernel update this week. :|

The curent linux release is 7.0.8!

The kernel crew is busy these days battling exploits. I think they are all plugged now.

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Hej Nick!

Crazyness, I tell ya! I think this is the third kernel update this
week. :|

Linux version 7.0.8 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260515, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0.20260210) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri May 15 21:54:38 UTC 2026

All the fun of the circus. Send in the clowns ...

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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... Eall here byþ hwæt þonne se lateow byþ hwæt.
The whole army is brave when the general is brave.
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Hello Alan!

15 May 2026 19:46, Alan Ianson wrote to Nick Boel:

The curent linux release is 7.0.8!

with all the AI generated patches :)

The kernel crew is busy these days battling exploits. I think they are all plugged now.

yes Torwalds ask if we just need AI maintained kernels


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hello Alan!

15 May 2026 19:46, Alan Ianson wrote to Nick Boel:

The curent linux release is 7.0.8!

with all the AI generated patches :)

I guess AI bugs are just as good as human bugs. ;)

The kernel crew is busy these days battling exploits. I think they are
all plugged now.

yes Torwalds ask if we just need AI maintained kernels

It's not a free for all. The (human) developer behind the AI is responsible for his (and his AI) code.

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Hey Alan!

The curent linux release is 7.0.8!

with all the AI generated patches :)

I guess AI bugs are just as good as human bugs. ;)

It's all buggery on the high c's! Word on the docks is that is getting rusty.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

-o -o o- -o o- o- o- o- o- o- o- o-
(\ (\ /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) /) /) /)
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Gift-giving is a glory and ornament of men, a help and an honour.
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The curent linux release is 7.0.8!

with all the AI generated patches :)

I guess AI bugs are just as good as human bugs. ;)

It's all buggery on the high c's! Word on the docks is that is getting rusty.

No matter how hard you try.. some things never change.

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Hey Alan!

No matter how hard you try.. some things never change.

Try or not, everything changes always and forever.

Life is good,
Maurice

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(\ (\ (\ (\ /) (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) /)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Hyge sceal gehealden, hond gewealden.
The mind must be restrained, the hand trained.
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On May 15, 2026 07:53pm, Alan Ianson wrote to Nick Boel:

It's all about access.

$ cat /proc/version
Linux version 7.0.7-arch2-1 (linux@archlinux) (gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260430,
GNU
ld (GNU Binutils) 2.46.0) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu, 14 May 2026 22:28:27 >> +0000

what no 'uname -a'?? LOL

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Hello Alan!

27 May 2026 15:25, Alan Ianson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

with all the AI generated patches :)

I guess AI bugs are just as good as human bugs. ;)

how to be sure ?

It's not a free for all. The (human) developer behind the AI is responsible for his (and his AI) code.

yes its just not verifed code always


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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with all the AI generated patches :)

I guess AI bugs are just as good as human bugs. ;)

how to be sure ?

Sit back and enjoy! ;)

It's not a free for all. The (human) developer behind the AI is
responsible for his (and his AI) code.

yes its just not verifed code always

I'm not sure what you mean by verified code.

There is a human developer behind any AI generated code.

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Hello Alan!

Tuesday June 02 2026 00:52, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

with all the AI generated patches :)

I guess AI bugs are just as good as human bugs. ;)

[skipped]

There is a human developer behind any AI generated code.

Unbelievable, but true. Last weeks I saw multiple times that developers are "delegating responsibility"
to LLM. When I'm asking about strange code, silly hidden bugs, strange unit tests, they are answering:
"It is LLM, it's not me".


With best regards, Sergey.

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Hello Alan!

02 Jun 2026 00:52, Alan Ianson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Sit back and enjoy! ;)

borring :)

I'm not sure what you mean by verified code.

human code to ai code is not always good, becurse results is not always good as intended

There is a human developer behind any AI generated code.

both can make errors, double errors could be solved :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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There is a human developer behind any AI generated code.

Unbelievable, but true. Last weeks I saw multiple times that developers are "delegating responsibility"
to LLM. When I'm asking about strange code, silly hidden bugs, strange unit tests, they are answering:
"It is LLM, it's not me".

That's what they say but none the less, it is them whether the code from their own mind/being or their assistant.

I don't think AI will eliminate bugs. They have always and will always exist.

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There is a human developer behind any AI generated code.

both can make errors, double errors could be solved :)

A double edged sword if ever there was one.

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Hello Alan!

02 Jun 26, Alan Ianson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

It's not a free for all. The (human) developer behind the AI is
responsible for his (and his AI) code.

There is a human developer behind any AI generated code.

Then it's not AI.

;-)

Kai

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