I've manually removed all but one space in the quotes above to see if
this indeed works on my end as well.
*shakes fist at Thunderbird*
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
Yes, that's the one.. along with most of the others I wrote from
Thunderbird. It seems Thunderbird adds non-breaking spaces (or
  in html) anywhere there's two or more concurrent spaces next
to each other.
They are here on these quotes, but on none of the others...?
I've manually removed all but one space in the quotes above to see if
this indeed works on my end as well.
All look fine except the ones I'm quoting above. I guess you did not remove
the spaces in that block.
Have you tried adding '/flowed=off' to your username, or setting 'def_flowed off' in your Jam/SmapiNNTPd config? That way, those spaces will
not converted to NBSPs.
Have you tried adding '/flowed=off' to your username, or setting 'def_flowed off' in your Jam/SmapiNNTPd config? That way, those spaces will not converted to NBSPs.
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
Yes, that's the one.. along with most of the others I wrote from
Thunderbird. It seems Thunderbird adds non-breaking spaces (or
  in html) anywhere there's two or more concurrent spaces next
to each other.
They are here on these quotes, but on none of the others...?
Yes that was kind of a test. I backspaced all of the 2nd and 3rd level quotes to the newly created quote character except for one paragraph of quoted text to nail down the problem. Now if I understand all of this correctly, there shouldn't be any issues with the above quotes.
Have you tried adding '/flowed=off' to your username, or setting
'def_flowed off' in your Jam/SmapiNNTPd config? That way, those
spaces will not converted to NBSPs.
This seems to work better in this regard.
However, now obviously we're not using format=flowed text, so is it now hard wrapping the text that I'm currently writing?
Isn't that supposed to be left alone (ie: no hard wrapping) so the next reader can deal with the message however it seems fit?
There was no hard wrapping in the above qouted 1 lines by you...
There was no hard wrapping in the above qouted 1 lines by you...
Confirmed in Golded. However, everything I write and see now in
Thunderbird is wrapping at <80 columns, even though in Golded it shows otherwise.
Oh well, at least the utf-8 "crap" as Tommi calls it is gone.
Confirmed in Golded. However, everything I write and see now in
Thunderbird is wrapping at <80 columns, even though in Golded it
shows otherwise.
I _think_ that the "flowed" setting does not affect when entering
messages to msgbase. It's about the nntp client how it sends the text.
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
Yes, that's the one.. along with most of the others I wrote from
Thunderbird. It seems Thunderbird adds non-breaking spaces (or
  in html) anywhere there's two or more concurrent spaces next
to each other.
They are here on these quotes, but on none of the others...?
Yes that was kind of a test. I backspaced all of the 2nd and 3rd level
quotes to the newly created quote character except for one paragraph of
quoted text to nail down the problem. Now if I understand all of this
correctly, there shouldn't be any issues with the above quotes.
I _think_ that the "flowed" setting does not affect when enteringI think I may have gotten it! The two settings regarding 'format-flowed' in Thunderbird need to be changed (see my previous message), and it seems to
messages to msgbase. It's about the nntp client how it sends the text.
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
Yes, that's the one.. along with most of the others I wrote from Thunderbird. It seems Thunderbird adds non-breaking spaces (or   in html) anywhere there's two or more concurrent spaces next to each other.
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
1. An extra space in inserted in quoted lines that begin with one or more spaces.
2. If using format=flowed (def_flowed or user/flowed=on in Smapi/JamNNTPd),
when there are two or more consecutive spaces in the quoted text, all but one are replaced by non-breaking spaces (UTF-8: 0xC2 0xA0 / LATIN-1: 0xA0) when posted to the NNTP server.
As FTN-style quotes are usually prefixed by a space, another one is inserted and then the second one is converted to a NBSP.
If you manually remove the extra spaces in the quotes before sending the reply, no NBSPs are posted. (I'm doing it in this reply.)
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
1. An extra space in inserted in quoted lines that begin with one or
more spaces.
2. If using format=flowed (def_flowed or user/flowed=on in
Smapi/JamNNTPd), when there are two or more consecutive spaces in the
quoted text, all but one are replaced by non-breaking spaces (UTF-8:
0xC2 0xA0 / LATIN-1: 0xA0) when posted to the NNTP server.
As FTN-style quotes are usually prefixed by a space, another one is
inserted and then the second one is converted to a NBSP.
If you manually remove the extra spaces in the quotes before sending
the reply, no NBSPs are posted. (I'm doing it in this reply.)
I've manually removed all but one space in the quotes above to see if this indeed works on my end as well.
*shakes fist at Thunderbird*
How did my original reply to Carlos look on your end?
I think this is the message you're referring to:
https://postimg.cc/gallery/kq34nZw
Yes, that's the one.. along with most of the others I wrote from
Thunderbird. It seems Thunderbird adds non-breaking spaces (or
  in html) anywhere there's two or more concurrent spaces
next to each other.
They are here on these quotes, but on none of the others...?
Yes that was kind of a test. I backspaced all of the 2nd and 3rd
level quotes to the newly created quote character except for one
paragraph of quoted text to nail down the problem. Now if I
understand all of this correctly, there shouldn't be any issues with
the above quotes.
Here's testing Smapinntpd with 'def-flowed=on' and Thunderbird with 'mailnews.display.disable_format_flowed_support = true' and 'mailnews.send_plaintext_flowed = false'.
If this doesn't work, and the only option is to disable it in Smapinntpd, I'll probably just avoid Thunderbird, then. Since it seems to work fine in other clients. :(
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Sun, 25 Feb 2024 21:17:10 GMT, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:
TK> I _think_ that the "flowed" setting does not affect when entering
TK> messages to msgbase. It's about the nntp client how it sends the text. I think I may have gotten it! The two settings regarding 'format-flowed' in Thunderbird need to be changed (see my previous message), and it seems to work with 'def-flowed=on' in Smapinntpd config!
Regards,
Nick
... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
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Your lines were wrapped as seen above in the quotes. And there were no odd utf-8 characters in front of any of the quotes...
I think I may have gotten it! The two settings regarding 'format-flowed' in
Thunderbird need to be changed (see my previous message), and it seems to
work with 'def-flowed=on' in Smapinntpd config!
Ok.. Lets test, I just applied those two settings to this TB and logged
in with tommi/flowed=on.
However, I wonder why your client is wrapping the end of a couple of
the lines with no quote mark before it? One of them was the tearline. "Thunderb" was wrapped to the next line with no quote character before
it.
On 2024-02-27 17:37:54, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:
NB> However, I wonder why your client is wrapping the end of a couple of
NB> the lines with no quote mark before it? One of them was the tearline.
NB> "Thunderb" was wrapped to the next line with no quote character before
NB> it.
I think the wrapping is happening on your end. Because Tommi's
message looked fine here: no wrapping of quoted lines...
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