• Re: 2023 FTSC Standing Member Election - Call for Nominations

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oli on Mon Jan 9 13:56:45 2023
    "Everybody will win and all must have prizes."

    Election time ... it's the moment that all the useless woodboring worms pop-up from the woodworks with a totally irrelevant opinion...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 9 14:08:16 2023
    Hey Ward!

    Election time ... it's the moment that all the useless woodboring
    worms pop-up from the woodworks with a totally irrelevant opinion

    You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Also it is unbecoming of your position. You should know better.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jan 9 18:26:30 2023
    Maurice,

    Election time ... it's the moment that all the useless woodboring
    worms pop-up from the woodworks with a totally irrelevant opinion

    You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Also it is unbecoming of your position. You should know better.

    My position is what it is, sitting preferably in a couch with a glass of my favorite chilled dark ale.

    It does not come with a manual on how to do things, the position I mean...

    Although I may be less outspoken than others in my category in the usage of a selected vocabulary, I need to stress that nevertheless the importance which I attach to the level of appreciation by others of how I perform my very much non-descript responsibilities equals a value bordering to zero. That has a lot to do with experience on the job, and you know what experience is ... it is what you get, when you don't get what you wanted.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

    BTW, I don't consider you to be a member of the species of useless woodboring worms, I also can appreciate your opinion.

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 9 18:05:51 2023
    Hey Ward!

    you know what experience is ... it is what you get, when you
    don't get what you wanted.

    What did you want? Maybe you're in the wrong place?

    I also can appreciate your opinion.

    You too but right now there is an election to be had. Hopefully it will come with better discussion than we've seen thus far.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jan 9 20:23:23 2023
    You too but right now there is an election to be had. Hopefully it will come with better discussion than we've seen thus far.

    Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes recently? I would not hold my breath.

    // Just coming out of the woodworks...


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Björn Felten on Mon Jan 9 11:28:58 2023
    Hello Bjrn,

    Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes recently?

    Yes.

    I would not hold my breath.

    No, keep on breathing. It worth it. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon Jan 9 20:32:11 2023
    Bjrn Felten -> Maurice Kinal skrev 2023-01-09 20:23:
    Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes recently?

    Except for the BINKD and the IPV6 echoes, I should have said. The Trolls seem to have missed those echoes.

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Mon Jan 9 20:35:03 2023
    Alan Ianson -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2023-01-09 20:28:
    Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes
    recently?

    Yes.

    I know. It was actually you that I came to think of (in the BINKD echo). Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Maurice Kinal on Mon Jan 9 15:53:20 2023
    On 09 Jan 23 18:05:51, Maurice Kinal said the following to Ward Dossche:

    I also can appreciate your opinion.

    You too but right now there is an election to be had. Hopefully it will co with better discussion than we've seen thus far.

    This echo is dead as a doornail so you must mean better than recent convo about one person's problem with the Exec command in BinkD, or better than one person's hilarious doomsday-cult nonsense about IPV6?

    I wouldn't count on it...

    Nick

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 10 17:54:54 2023
    Hey Nick!

    This echo is dead as a doornail so you must mean better than
    recent convo about one person's problem with the Exec command in
    BinkD

    No I didn't.

    or better than one person's hilarious doomsday-cult nonsense
    about IPV6?

    Nope although good hilarious doomsday nonsense potentially could be fun at times.

    I wouldn't count on it...

    I am not counting on it. Instead I am doing something about it. How about you?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Maurice Kinal on Tue Jan 10 17:39:15 2023
    On 10 Jan 23 17:54:54, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

    I wouldn't count on it...

    I am not counting on it. Instead I am doing something about it. How about you?

    Everyone thoroughly enjoys what I bring to the table...

    Nick

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 10 23:40:49 2023
    Hey Nick!

    Everyone thoroughly enjoys what I bring to the table...

    Cool. I sheepishly admit that I haven't noticed. Where does one tap into this joy?

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 11 02:56:37 2023
    On 10 Jan 23 23:40:49, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

    Everyone thoroughly enjoys what I bring to the table...

    Cool. I sheepishly admit that I haven't noticed. Where does one tap into this joy?

    The "Nodelist police" echo for starters, created solely from my refusal to
    play petty dictator to RC's. Every week my system publishes free masturbatory reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Wed Jan 11 10:48:53 2023
    Every week my system publishes free masturbatory
    reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

    That's probably becoming expensive ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001.2989 to Nick Andre on Wed Jan 11 17:06:27 2023
    Hey Nick!

    The "Nodelist police" echo for starters

    I am not sure that is the same one I am thinking about, but if it is then the last time I peeked in there wasn't much of anything going on, nevermind ZC-love. Also the moderator there and I have issues that never got resolved and are HIGLY unlikey to ever be resolved. It was mostly personal so there is no fidonet controversy there that I am aware of.

    Every week my system publishes free masturbatory reading material
    along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

    Whoa! You guys are living the high life out east.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Maurice Kinal on Wed Jan 11 13:35:51 2023
    On 11 Jan 23 17:06:27, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

    Every week my system publishes free masturbatory reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

    Whoa! You guys are living the high life out east.

    :)

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jan 11 13:36:03 2023
    On 11 Jan 23 10:48:53, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

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    Every week my system publishes free masturbatory
    reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

    That's probably becoming expensive ...

    I get the begging-Belgian discount...

    Nick

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to Andrew Leary on Sun Jan 15 04:34:02 2023
    On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 01:55:35 -0500
    "Andrew Leary" <andrew.leary@1:320/219> wrote:


    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    Who are on these nominating committees, if anyone? I may have doubts
    about certain members judgments.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nigel Reed on Sun Jan 15 12:19:53 2023
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    Who are on these nominating committees, if anyone? I may have doubts
    about certain members judgments.

    There are no nominating committees at present, but the FTSC and/or ZCC may decide to set-up one and seek candidates.

    This was done for the first time the previous election to attract competent technical people and move away from the political or incompetent nominations which occured for no other reason "because I can".

    This was pretty successful with 3 competent developers being elected and zero trash.

    Alex probably does not agree with it all.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Nigel Reed on Sun Jan 15 14:25:43 2023

    Hello Nigel!

    15 Jan 23 04:34, you wrote to me:

    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    Who are on these nominating committees, if anyone? I may have doubts
    about certain members judgments.

    At this time, the FTSC has not established a nominating committee. The ZCC did for the last election, but as of yet hasn't indicated that it intends to do so again.

    Andrew

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Andrew Leary on Mon Jan 16 00:36:18 2023
    Hallo Andrew!

    15.01.2023 14:25, Andrew Leary schrieb an Nigel Reed:

    At this time, the FTSC has not established a nominating committee.
    The ZCC did for the last election, but as of yet hasn't indicated that
    it intends to do so again.
    Whats the difference of this election?

    Earlier elections just went forward with a nominated election commitee of the ftsc as I remember. This election commitee was deployed by the chairman of ftsc, not of the zcc.

    Andrew
    Bye/2 Torsten, RC24, Z2

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Torsten Bamberg on Mon Jan 16 01:28:09 2023
    Hello Torsten,

    Earlier elections just went forward with a nominated election commitee of the ftsc as I remember. This election commitee was deployed by the
    chairman of ftsc, not of the zcc.

    That is incorrect.

    Earlier elections just went on with sometimes rogue nominations ... certain individuals thought that a zonal balance was needed, others made believe they invented the fire, the wheel and the hot water and just deserved to be there.

    As a result, historically there was trash in the FTSC.

    There never was a nomination committee by the FTSC.

    During the previous election in 2022 the ZCC took it upon itself to seek qualified candidates and established such a committee with good results.

    Elections lately were run by the FTSC Administrator and not by a committee. Though in a distant past this was different.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 19 00:29:03 2023
    Hello Ward!

    16.01.2023 01:28, Ward Dossche schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

    Earlier elections just went forward with a nominated election
    commitee of the ftsc as I remember. This election commitee was
    deployed by the chairman of ftsc, not of the zcc.
    That is incorrect.
    Ah, okay.

    Earlier elections just went on with sometimes rogue nominations ... certain individuals thought that a zonal balance was needed, others
    made believe they invented the fire, the wheel and the hot water and
    just deserved to be there.

    As a result, historically there was trash in the FTSC.

    There never was a nomination committee by the FTSC.
    Got it. I ment the 'voting committee' with the procedure of nomination of the candidates by rc's.

    During the previous election in 2022 the ZCC took it upon itself to
    seek qualified candidates and established such a committee with good results.
    Elections lately were run by the FTSC Administrator and not by a committee. Though in a distant past this was different.
    Thanks a lot for clearing.

    Just to sum up, it's nonsensical to persue further ftsc activations.

    Take care,
    \%/@rd
    Bye/2 Torsten

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Sun Jan 29 01:43:58 2023
    2023 FTSC election, call for nominations
    ========================================


    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday, 29th of
    January 2023 at 20:00 UTC.

    As per FTA-1000.003 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
    5 and no more than 30. Presently there are 10 FTSC members; 7 of those
    have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(10-7)=27
    members to be elected.

    From FTA-1001.007

    3.2 FTSC Standing Members
    -------------------------

    FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
    appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
    renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
    the terms.]

    To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a FidoNet
    node, and should be actively involved in FidoNet. Examples include
    having put out a FidoNet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

    Standing members may be nominated FidoNet-wide by all of the
    following methods:

    1. Any RC.
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
    officer of the FTSC.

    Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
    who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
    nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
    approval by a majority of votes.
    Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
    of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
    voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

    The status of RC's will be determined by nodelist.027 of this year by
    the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

    All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
    invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
    FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

    Nominations start at Sunday, 29 January 2022, 20:00 UTC and end at
    Sunday, 19 February 2022, 20:00 UTC.

    Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
    filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
    someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
    accept.

    Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
    practice. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current FidoNet practice evolves and when
    it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
    Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
    FTSC in order to "engineer FidoNet" may be in for a disappointment.
    Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
    not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
    joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.003
    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

    Andrew Leary
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Andrew Leary on Tue Feb 14 15:23:40 2023
    On 14 Feb 23 10:26:03, Andrew Leary said the following to All:

    Nick Andre 1:229/426 RC33 No

    I accept.

    Nick

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Nick Andre on Tue Feb 14 21:28:39 2023
    Hello Nick!

    14 Feb 23 15:23, you wrote to me:

    On 14 Feb 23 10:26:03, Andrew Leary said the following to All:

    Nick Andre 1:229/426 RC33 No

    I accept.

    ACK.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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