Hello Alan!

Saturday January 01 2022 14:41, you wrote to me:

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files,
where they can be picked up?

Janis - but getting these uplinks to use another is taking a wee bit
of time.

Yes, that is where I was getting them but Janis's system doesn't
answer anymore.

I don't mind reaching out to get those files if I knew where to go.

She has shutdown most of her system and the rest no doubt soon.

If you would like you can get files and echos from me just send me your address
that you will use along with a password case sensitive for:
session
echo processing
file processing

Send DIRECT, CRASH to me at 2:250/1

You can then just link in to what one's you need and yes I carry the lot other than for echos that are German, Russian or usegroups other than the one's I get
direct from the servers.



Vincent
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Hi Alan!

01 Jan 2022 13:28, from Alan Ianson -> mark lewis:

I am looking for a link for the EARTH FDN file areas.

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files,
where they can be picked up?

Just check with all your links.
If none of them carries it, go directly to the source (Dan?) and establish a link with him.

I do not carry that particular file echo.

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Ricsi,

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files,
where they can be picked up?

Just check with all your links.

I am connected at three nodes now.. ;)

If none of them carries it, go directly to the source (Dan?) and establish a link with him.

Yes, I have reached out to Dan but I haven't heard back yet. I read elsewhere that Dan was having issues IRL that requires his attention right now so I suspect that can be done in time.

I do not carry that particular file echo.

There are linked nodes here so that is why I hope to get connected, one way or another.
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Hello All,

I am looking for a link for the EARTH FDN file areas.

Since 261/38 shutdown I haven't recieved those files.

Anyone getting those files and where can I link?

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On 2022 Jan 01 11:38:24, you wrote to All:

I am looking for a link for the EARTH FDN file areas.

a quick look in filegate.zxx shows they come from dan ricter, 1:317/3...

% FDN: EARTH
% Coordinator: Dan Richter, 1:317/3, dan@castlerockbbs.com
% Internet: http://www.castlerockbbs.com
% http:/www.filegate.net/earth/
% Backbone: EARTH (Earth Sciences)
% PATH: DIRECT
% HUB: Yes
% -----------------------------------------------------------------------
% File Echo DescriptionM
% -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Area WEATHER 0 ! EA: Daily graphic forecasts for N.America
Area MODIS 0 ! EA: Daily MODIS images of Earth
Area EPOD 0 ! EA: Daily Earth Science Pictures
Area E-SCIENCE 0 ! EA: Misc. Earth Science
%

the above is from the 2021 Nov 4 filegate.zxx i have in my files areas...

)\/(ark

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On 2022 Jan 01 11:38:24, you wrote to All:

I am looking for a link for the EARTH FDN file areas.

a quick look in filegate.zxx shows they come from dan ricter, 1:317/3...

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files, where they can be picked up?
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Hello Alan!

Saturday January 01 2022 13:28, you wrote to mark lewis:

On 2022 Jan 01 11:38:24, you wrote to All:

I am looking for a link for the EARTH FDN file areas.

a quick look in filegate.zxx shows they come from dan ricter,
1:317/3...

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files,
where they can be picked up?

Janis - but getting these uplinks to use another is taking a wee bit of time.

Vincent
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Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files,
where they can be picked up?

Janis - but getting these uplinks to use another is taking a wee bit of time.

Yes, that is where I was getting them but Janis's system doesn't answer anymore.

I don't mind reaching out to get those files if I knew where to go.
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On 2022 Jan 01 13:28:22, you wrote to me:

I am looking for a link for the EARTH FDN file areas.

a quick look in filegate.zxx shows they come from dan ricter, 1:317/3...

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files, where they can be picked up?

i would contact dan at his system and see what he says... i would hazard a guess that he'd be willing to link you in and then you can pass them on to anyone else linked to those areas with you... i don't know if he was only linked to janis or not... off the top of my head, i don't even know what software he is using...

)\/(ark

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Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files, where
they can be picked up?

i would contact dan at his system and see what he says... i would hazard a guess that he'd be willing to link you in and then you can pass them on to anyone else linked to those areas with you...

I have netmailed Dan but not heard anything back yet. He may be unaware of what has happened at 261/38.

i don't know if he was only linked to janis or not...

Aside from a few links I think Janis's system did the heavy lifting. She got the files moving to hubs and connected nodes. If we can get the hubs linked so nodes have another place to connect I think we'll be OK.

off the top of my head, i don't even know what software he is using...

I think his node is using the husky software, hpt and htick.
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Hello Alan!

Wednesday January 05 2022 11:15, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

Hi Ricsi,

Yes, those are the ones. I wonder where he is hatching those files,
where they can be picked up?

Just check with all your links.

I am connected at three nodes now.. ;)

If none of them carries it, go directly to the source (Dan?) and
establish a link with him.

Yes, I have reached out to Dan but I haven't heard back yet. I read elsewhere that Dan was having issues IRL that requires his attention
right now so I suspect that can be done in time.

I do not carry that particular file echo.

There are linked nodes here so that is why I hope to get connected,
one way or another.

You should be getting feed from my now as there is flow.



Vincent

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There are linked nodes here so that is why I hope to get connected,
one way or another.

You should be getting feed from my now as there is flow.

Yes, I am linked with your node now as well as Dan's so we are making progress.

There may be details that we need to sort yet, but things are moving in the right direction.. :)

I still need to link many areas.

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Hello Alan!

Wednesday January 12 2022 14:56, you wrote to me:

There are linked nodes here so that is why I hope to get connected,
one way or another.

You should be getting feed from my now as there is flow.

Yes, I am linked with your node now as well as Dan's so we are making progress.

There may be details that we need to sort yet, but things are moving
in the right direction.. :)

I still need to link many areas.

Help yourself - I a'assume' you did a %HELP to get the instructions of
commands etc if needed?

Any other issues let me know via netmail etc.

Vincent

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On 2022 Jan 12 22:43:16, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

There are linked nodes here so that is why I hope to get connected,
one way or another.

You should be getting feed from my now as there is flow.

i saw something ""interesting"" the other day in the WINPOINT FDN area... the same two files were hatched by two different systems using different naming conventions... i mean... hunh??

this one's origin is the FDN maintainer...
=====>8 snip 8<=====
Area WINPOINT
Origin 1:153/757
From 2:250/1
Replaces wps_382.zip
File WP_387.ZIP
Lfile WP_387.zip
Size 4075820
Desc WinPoint Public Beta 7 (Version 387) Released 2022-01-09. Complete Point Software for Windows. Most noteable changes since Beta 6: NEW Default charset per area, NEW Support for CP895 Encoding, NEW Localized display/mnt. filter, NEW Localized area properties, NEW Improved Localization, NEW Improved Popup rendering, NEW TIC now supports replaces, NEW Various minor improvements, FIX Reordering Uplinks,Packers,..., FIX Invalid msg date on non-engl, FIX Bas msg colors on first start, FIX, Crash when new msg empty area, FIX Some window order fixes, FIX Various minor bug fixes.
Crc F85FD2EA
Created by MBSE BBS 1.0.7.24 Copyright (C) 1997-2022 MBSE DevTm
Path 1:153/757.0 @220109234919 PDT+8
Path 2:250/1@fidonet 1641801171 Mon Jan 10 07:52:51 2022 GMT
=====>8 snip 8<=====

not sure who this one is, why it was sent to my system instead of the FDN manager, and something else i just spaced out on while writing this message :(
=====>8 snip 8<=====
Area WINPOINT
Areadesc WINPOINT
Origin 2:240/1120.29
From 2:240/1120
Destination 1:3634/12, Mark Lewis
File WP387.ZIP
Size 4074569
Desc +-------------------------------------+
Ldesc +-------------------------------------+
Ldesc ? ? ? ???? WinPoint ?
Ldesc ? ? ? ? ? Public Beta 7 ?
Ldesc ? ? ? ???? (Version 387) ?
Ldesc ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ldesc ? ? ? ? Released 2022-01-09 ?
Ldesc ?-------------------------------------?
Ldesc ? Complete Point Software for Windows ?
Ldesc ?-------------------------------------?
Ldesc ? Most notable changes since Beta 6: ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Default charset per area ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Support for CP895 Encoding ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Localized display/mnt. filter ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Localized area properties ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Improved Localization ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Improved Popup rendering ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW TIC now supports "replaces" ?
Ldesc ? ?NEW Various minor improvements ?
Ldesc ? ?FIX Reordering Uplinks,Packers,... ?
Ldesc ? ?FIX Invalid msg date on non-engl. ?
Ldesc ? ?FIX Bad msg colors on first start ?
Ldesc ? ?FIX Crash when new msg empty area ?
Ldesc ? ?FIX Some window order fixes ?
Ldesc ? ?FIX Various minor bug fixes ?
Ldesc +-------------------------------------+
Crc AFC7CD80
Created by ALLFIX+, v5.13.004 Copyright (C) 1992,99 by Harms Software (1:140/30)
Path 2:240/1120 1641750543 SUN JAN 9 18:49:03 2022 UTC+0100 A96608E4
=====>8 snip 8<=====

the other two are similar but for the 389 version of this program...

the only other question is why are we carrying beta programs? we went through all this a couple of years ago when a particular Z2 system was hatching numerous beta updates of the same files almost every day and chewing up everyone's drive space...

)\/(ark

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Hello mark!

Thursday January 13 2022 08:26, you wrote to me:

On 2022 Jan 12 22:43:16, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

There are linked nodes here so that is why I hope to get
connected, one way or another.

You should be getting feed from my now as there is flow.

i saw something ""interesting"" the other day in the WINPOINT FDN
area... the same two files were hatched by two different systems using different naming conventions... i mean... hunh??

He is another link - if it happens again I will remove the second one as it is a backup source as far as I am concerned.

I will see how it goes - takes time to all settle down.

Just delete the dup but your system should be rejected a duplicate file (by same name).

Of course it does help if that ARE the same name.

If we see a multitude of betas coming through I will have to contact the source
and ask him to restrict it as he should be doing better testing.

Daily updates we do not need.


Vincent

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On 2022 Jan 13 14:37:26, you wrote to me:

i saw something ""interesting"" the other day in the WINPOINT FDN
area... the same two files were hatched by two different systems using
different naming conventions... i mean... hunh??

He is another link - if it happens again I will remove the second one
as it is a backup source as far as I am concerned.

if you noticed, there were two different origins in those two TIC files ;) the second one did not traverse through your system... it may have been a one time thing, though...

I will see how it goes - takes time to all settle down.

yep...

Just delete the dup but your system should be rejected a duplicate
file (by same name).

nope... they either sit in my inbound or they get tossed into the file area depending on if the TIC carries a REPLACES line or if i have the area set to always replace...

it should also be noted that the software i'm using now is no where near allfix in capabilities... there is no concept of feed links or up/down links and no way to restrict who can send or receive... if a file arrives here from a linked system, any linked system, it is sent out to all other linked systems not already listed in the seenby lines once the file is processed...

Of course it does help if that ARE the same name.

yep :)

If we see a multitude of betas coming through I will have to contact
the source and ask him to restrict it as he should be doing better testing.

ok...

Daily updates we do not need.

agreed...

)\/(ark

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not sure who this one is, why it was sent to my system instead of the FDN
manager, and something else i just spaced out on while writing this message :(

That is strange. It appears someone else is hatching files in the WINPOINT area with a different filename.

the only other question is why are we carrying beta programs?

The Winpoint program has been called a public beta ever since I came across it somewhere around 2005 but the software is fairly mature at this point.

The Public Beta seems to be missing from the latest versions description so I think that has been dropped now.

we went through all this a couple of years ago when a particular Z2 system was hatching numerous beta updates of the same files almost every day and chewing up everyone's drive space...

That doesn't happen in the WINPOINT area. I think I have hatched three files in that area. The last two were a day apart because there were important changes.

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If we see a multitude of betas coming through I will have to contact the source and ask him to restrict it as he should be doing better testing.

I don't do any testing at all. I don't have the windows here to test winpoint. I do keep up with what the author is doing and what winpoint users have to say but no testing.

I did error on the WP_389.zip, I meant to replace wp_387.zip but I replaced wp_389.zip. Bummer, although I have a plan that could work to get rid of the 387 version.

Daily updates we do not need.

There are no daily updates. WP_389.zip was hatched a day after WP_387.zip because of important changes.

WinPoint development is ongoing and there will likely be further updates when the author releases them. The same is true for the OPENXP area and files.

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On 2022 Jan 13 16:31:48, you wrote to me:

not sure who this one is, why it was sent to my system instead of the
FDN manager, and something else i just spaced out on while writing
this message :(

That is strange. It appears someone else is hatching files in the
WINPOINT area with a different filename.

that's what i was pointing out ;)

locating and digging into the Z2PNT list, i find that person to be Tim Schattkowsky... i'm not sure of his relationship with WinPoint or the WINPOINT FDN but i have noted his name in a few echos in recent times...

the only other question is why are we carrying beta programs?

The Winpoint program has been called a public beta ever since I came across it somewhere around 2005 but the software is fairly mature at
this point.

i can understand that...

The Public Beta seems to be missing from the latest versions
description so I think that has been dropped now.

interesting...

we went through all this a couple of years ago when a particular Z2
system was hatching numerous beta updates of the same files almost
every day and chewing up everyone's drive space...

That doesn't happen in the WINPOINT area. I think I have hatched three files in that area. The last two were a day apart because there were important changes.

ok, i don't have a problem with that... i just didn't want to see similar things like we saw coming in from Gert's system a few years back...

)\/(ark

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Hello Alan!

Thursday January 13 2022 16:40, you wrote to me:

If we see a multitude of betas coming through I will have to contact
the source and ask him to restrict it as he should be doing better
testing.

I don't do any testing at all. I don't have the windows here to test winpoint. I do keep up with what the author is doing and what winpoint
users have to say but no testing.

I did error on the WP_389.zip, I meant to replace wp_387.zip but I
replaced wp_389.zip. Bummer, although I have a plan that could work to
get rid of the 387 version.

Daily updates we do not need.

There are no daily updates. WP_389.zip was hatched a day after
WP_387.zip because of important changes.

WinPoint development is ongoing and there will likely be further
updates when the author releases them. The same is true for the OPENXP
area and files.

Original posted ahd pointed out that thee was two versions of the same file one
as WP389.ZIP and the other WP_389.ZIP.

I was wondering what is the 'official' version ?

If updates are not frequent it is not a problem it is just in the past some one
used to do a beta update almost every day for close to a month - it was tiresome
and most user just did not update weekly let alone every few days.
We have other things to do unless a major flaw was found in which case I still programmer should do better testing before doing a release .

Just my view point but from being hired as a contract/freelance doing testing at
senior and lower levels both auto and manual testing and no I am not looking for a new role.

Vincent
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On 2022 Jan 14 13:52:24, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

There are no daily updates. WP_389.zip was hatched a day after
WP_387.zip because of important changes.

WinPoint development is ongoing and there will likely be further
updates when the author releases them. The same is true for the
OPENXP area and files.

Original posted ahd pointed out that thee was two versions of the same file one as WP389.ZIP and the other WP_389.ZIP.

I was wondering what is the 'official' version ?

i would say the ""official"" one would be the one hatched by the FDN owner/maintainer... in this specific case, that would be WP_387.ZIP as hatched from Alan's system...

If updates are not frequent it is not a problem it is just in the past some one used to do a beta update almost every day for close to a
month

yeah, those were from Gert until i said something about them to janis... it looked like he was taking repository snapshots daily and hatching those... i remember some being quite large... like over 2Gig in size... that isn't as much of a problem as it used to be, though...

)\/(ark

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Hi Mark,

Friday January 14 2022 06:59, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

locating and digging into the Z2PNT list, i find that person to be Tim Schattkowsky... i'm not sure of his relationship with WinPoint or the WINPOINT FDN but i have noted his name in a few echos in recent
times...

Tim is the author of WINPOINT and still active to distribute maintenance updates

as I've just established a link with Janis for the filecho WINPOINT, Janis goes down.
So therefor I've searched for another uplink for the Filegate distribution channel.

Starting with the replacement link to you at 1:3634/12 there was no WINPOINT fileecho available.
In the description of filegate.* Vince shows as the direct replacement for Janis that he still offered at several channels. As I still had a sleeping link with Vince, I've requested to activate the feed for WINPOINT with also the ability to send updates direct from the author of WINPOINT

)\/(ark
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regards, uli ;-)

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On 2022 Jan 14 19:33:52, you wrote to me:

locating and digging into the Z2PNT list, i find that person to be
Tim Schattkowsky... i'm not sure of his relationship with WinPoint or
the WINPOINT FDN but i have noted his name in a few echos in recent
times...

Tim is the author of WINPOINT and still active to distribute
maintenance updates

ahhhh... that's why his name is familiar to me...

as I've just established a link with Janis for the filecho WINPOINT,
Janis goes down. So therefor I've searched for another uplink for the Filegate distribution channel.

that's no problem...

Starting with the replacement link to you at 1:3634/12 there was no WINPOINT fileecho available.

because i still haven't added it yet :(

In the description of filegate.* Vince shows as the direct replacement
for Janis that he still offered at several channels. As I still had a sleeping link with Vince, I've requested to activate the feed for
WINPOINT with also the ability to send updates direct from the author
of WINPOINT

part of the problem, in this instance, is that Alan is the FDN maintainer for WINPOINT... Tim should be sending the WINPOINT files to Alan for hatching into the distribution channel(s)... when Alan hatches it, then it will traverse to all of the systems connected to him and from them on out further into the wild...

)\/(ark

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Hello Ulrich!

Friday January 14 2022 19:33, you wrote to Mark Lewis:

Hi Mark,

Friday January 14 2022 06:59, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

locating and digging into the Z2PNT list, i find that person to
be Tim Schattkowsky... i'm not sure of his relationship with
WinPoint or the WINPOINT FDN but i have noted his name in a few
echos in recent times...

Tim is the author of WINPOINT and still active to distribute
maintenance updates

as I've just established a link with Janis for the filecho WINPOINT,
Janis goes down. So therefor I've searched for another uplink for the Filegate distribution channel.

Starting with the replacement link to you at 1:3634/12 there was no
WINPOINT fileecho available. In the description of filegate.* Vince
shows as the direct replacement for Janis that he still offered at
several channels. As I still had a sleeping link with Vince, I've
requested to activate the feed for WINPOINT with also the ability to
send updates direct from the author of WINPOINT

According to the FILGATE record which shows :

--
%
% FDN: POINTSOFT FDN
% Coordinator: Alan Ianson, 1:153/757
% http://www.filegate.net/openxp/
%
% PATH: DIRECT
% HUB: No
%
% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
% File Echo Description
% ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Area OPENXP 0 ! OPX: multi-protocol offline mail/news
% reader for the text console
Area WINPOINT 0 ! OPX: WinPoint Software Releases/Updates
%
%
--

Alan is the point contact for both OPENXP and WINPOINT with Janis.

Are you saying that is wrong ?



Vincent

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