Hi Nick,

On 2025-11-28 10:15:04, you wrote to me:

The simplest fix is to not create empty PATH lines at all (with or
without space)! ;-)

Is /not/ creating a PATH kludge covered anywhere in the holy grail of documented standards and/or proposals?

So far, all that has been pointed out is a document that shows the proper format of the PATH kludge.

fts-0004.001 says it's not required.

fsc-0074.001 says:

- Shall contain a list of net/node numbers.

- Shall identify at least one net/node number. "Blank"
path lines shall not be transmitted.

So that is pretty clear to me! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.4-B20240523
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Re: test
By: Nick Boel to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Nov 28 2025 10:15 am

Is /not/ creating a PATH kludge covered anywhere in the holy grail of documented standards and/or proposals?

There's FSC-0067 which proposes a 5D (in a neat new format) SPTH ("Sticky PaTH") and strips the PATH lines.
--- SBBSecho 3.31-FreeBSD
* Origin: BBSDev.net - The BBS Developers Network (1:103/1)

11/12/2025 22:50, Rob Swindell (1:103/705):

  > A bug report (at gitlab.synchro.net) would've been nice to have. :-)

Sorry, I intended to... O:-)

Next time. :-)

There'll certainly more opportunities (bugs created/found) in the
future. lol

Sure ;-)

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This message
should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Carlos
--- SBBSecho 3.33-Win32
* Origin: cyb synchronet point (2:341/234.5885)

Hi Carlos,

On 2025-12-12 17:46:44, you wrote to Rob Swindell:

@MSGID: 72.fidonet_fidotest@2:341/234.5885 2da17d3c
@REPLY: 15424.fidotest@1:103/705 2da0aec8
@PID: Synchronet 3.21a-Win32 master/d27b45adf Dec 12 2025 MSC 1944
@TZUTC: 0100
@TID: SBBSecho 3.33-Win32 master/d27b45adf Dec 12 2025 MSC 1944
@BBSID: CYBNOT
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@FORMAT: flowed
@NOTE: Mozilla Thunderbird
11/12/2025 22:50, Rob Swindell (1:103/705):

… > A bug report (at gitlab.synchro.net) would've been nice to have. :-)

Sorry, I intended to... O:-)

Next time. :-)

There'll certainly more opportunities (bugs created/found) in the
future. lol

Sure ;-)

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This message should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Confirmed! ;-)

Carlos
--- SBBSecho 3.33-Win32
* Origin: cyb synchronet point (2:341/234.5885)
SEEN-BY: 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 221/0 6 240/1120 5832 SEEN-BY: 263/1 280/464 5003 5006 5555 292/854 8125 301/1 310/31 341/66 SEEN-BY: 341/234 396/45 423/120 460/58 633/280 712/848 770/1 5020/400 @PATH: 341/234 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.4-B20240523
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Carlos.

12 Dec 25 17:46, you wrote to Rob Swindell:

@TZUTC: 0100
@MSGID: 72.fidonet_fidotest@2:341/234.5885 2da17d3c
@REPLY: 15424.fidotest@1:103/705 2da0aec8
@PID: Synchronet 3.21a-Win32 master/d27b45adf Dec 12 2025 MSC 1944
@TID: SBBSecho 3.33-Win32 master/d27b45adf Dec 12 2025 MSC 1944
@BBSID: CYBNOT
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@FORMAT: flowed
@NOTE: Mozilla Thunderbird
11/12/2025 22:50, Rob Swindell (1:103/705):

  > A bug report (at gitlab.synchro.net) would've been nice to

have. :-)

Sorry, I intended to... O:-)

Next time. :-)

There'll certainly more opportunities (bugs created/found) in the
future. lol

Sure ;-)

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This
message should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Yep!

Carlos
--- SBBSecho 3.33-Win32
* Origin: cyb synchronet point (2:341/234.5885)
SEEN-BY: 221/6 280/464 341/66 234
@PATH: 341/234

'Tommi

---
* Origin: nntps://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/360)

12 Dec 2025 17:52, you wrote to me:

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This
message should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Confirmed! ;-)

Thanks. Same here in my FMail-based node.

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234)

12 Dec 2025 18:55, you wrote to me:

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This
message should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Yep!

But your tosser removed it anyway, didn't it?

You'd have to check the PKT my node sent to you... (No need to, I've already done)

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234)

Hi Carlos.

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This
message should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Yep!

But your tosser removed it anyway, didn't it?

You'd have to check the PKT my node sent to you... (No need to, I've already done)

I sure did before reporting. :)

'Tommi

---
* Origin: FPoint (2:221/6.66)

Re: Re: test
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Carlos Navarro on Fri Dec 12 2025 05:52 pm

I've just upgraded my Synchronet point to the dev version. This message should go out without that empty PATH kludge.

Confirmed! ;-)

Thank you!
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25 Nov 2025 17:50, you wrote to me:

As a point, should it send no PATH kludge at all then?

Not sure what is correct. Some tossers and point packages do, while
others don't.

I would imagine an empty PATH kludge would be better than inserting
the bossnode's 2D address *before* it gets to the bossnode!

Maybe, but it has been and is a rather common practice. See below...

I've checked .PKT's from several points I'm using or have tested.

Well done on the testing! You're absolutely killing it lately. ;)

:-)

These don't insert a PATH kludge:
- Winpoint
- OpenXP
- Crashmail II
- FMail (default, but can be enabled)

These insert a PATH kludge (including the bossnode's 2D address):
- HotdogEd
- Aftershock
- D'Bridge

I've also checked old messages (late 90s) from my points in a local echo, and these also inserted the PATH kludge including the bossnode (my system):

- FrontDoor's ScanToss
- FastEcho

Do messages coming from these display at the boss node if it's address
is already in the PATH?

Yes.

Or do they get forwarded on without being stored in the message base?

They are stored and also get forwarded. This has never been an issue, IIRC.

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

26 Nov 2025 08:55, you wrote to me:

So on top of the message where all the regular kludge lines are?

Yes, see here:
https://www.cyberiada.org/fido/tmpfiles/fidotest-sbbs-point-snaps
hot.png

It kind of makes sense, because the "^APATH:" line without the <space> after the ':' is just a kludge line. So I can see the logic in placing
it on top with the other kludge lines.

Yes.

BTW, did you check if you can also see that in GoldED, like in the screenshot?

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

28 Nov 2025 08:44, you wrote to me:

Not sure what is correct. Some tossers and point packages do, while
others don't.

Is there a way you could edit the raw message that Synchronet creates,
and add a space to the PATH kludge before it gets sent off to FMail?

Yes, I did the test (I edited the PKT before my node's FMail processed it)

This way, if FMail appends to that line, rather than creating a new
one and leaving the original alone,

Yes, it does.

we know this should be the fix, and can report it to Rob.

Hmm... IMO that would be more of a workaround than a fix. I think it would be better to just not add an empty PATH kludge.

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

Hi Carlos,

On 2025-12-08 21:00:43, you wrote to me:

So on top of the message where all the regular kludge lines are?

Yes, see here:
https://www.cyberiada.org/fido/tmpfiles/fidotest-sbbs-point-snaps
hot.png

It kind of makes sense, because the "^APATH:" line without the <space>
after the ':' is just a kludge line. So I can see the logic in placing
it on top with the other kludge lines.

Yes.

BTW, did you check if you can also see that in GoldED, like in the screenshot?

Yes it looks the same in my golded.


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.4-B20240523
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hey Carlos!

On Mon, 08 Dec 2025 21:00:02 +0100, you wrote:

Or do they get forwarded on without being stored in the message base?

They are stored and also get forwarded. This has never been an issue,
IIRC.

I seem to recall there was an issue in the past regarding this (messages from points were not being displayed, or something), and that could be why Synchronet/sbbsecho is sending that PATH empty (although if it had the space according to the spec that someone else mentioned, it may actually get processed/removed just fine by other tossers and this may have never been noticed).

Regards,
Nick

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--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
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Re: test
By: Carlos Navarro to Nick Boel on Mon Dec 08 2025 09:04 pm

Hmm... IMO that would be more of a workaround than a fix. I think it would be better to just not add an empty PATH kludge.

This issue has now been addressed: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/commit/fe2d6930583d7961596c3e1cd0a01b6

A bug report (at gitlab.synchro.net) would've been nice to have. :-)
--
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10 Dec 2025 16:05, you wrote to me:

This issue has now been addressed:

Great!

A bug report (at gitlab.synchro.net) would've been nice to have. :-)

Sorry, I intended to... O:-)

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

Re: test
By: Carlos Navarro to Rob Swindell on Thu Dec 11 2025 09:37 pm

A bug report (at gitlab.synchro.net) would've been nice to have. :-)

Sorry, I intended to... O:-)

Next time. :-)

There'll certainly more opportunities (bugs created/found) in the future. lol --
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12 Dec 2025 19:24, you wrote to me:

I sure did before reporting. :)

But of course! :-)

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
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test

... Remind me again how lucky I am to work here

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02 Mar 26 10:41:07 Matthew Asham (1:153/150) wrote:

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Hello Matthew,

02 Mar 26 10:41, you wrote to All:

@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@TZUTC: -0800
@MSGID: 1:153/150 EC5BF23F
@MAILER: BinktermPHP 1.8.5 Linux
test

... Remind me again how lucky I am to work here

--- BinktermPHP v1.8.5
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On 05 Mar 2026, Robert Wolfe said the following...

testing beta version of px/wins

There is a newer version of PX out there??

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testing beta version of px/wins

... If she can't take the heat, get her out of the oven!
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06 Mar 26 14:01, you wrote to All:

@TID: PX/Win v7.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 41cc8b4d
@TZUTC: -0500
testing

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ByEbYe
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Daniel

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testing


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Matthew,

test

It made it to Arkansas.

Daryl

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testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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13 Mar 26 13:21:32 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 859f55c2
@TZUTC: -0400
testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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@PATH: 261/20 320/219 221/1
==== end of the message ====

---
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On 13 Mar 26 13:21:32 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 859f55c2
@TZUTC: -0400
testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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SEEN+BY: 633/280 712/848 902/26 5075/35
@PATH: 261/20 320/219 229/426
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Hello Robert,

13 Mar 26 13:21, you wrote to All:

@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 859f55c2
@TZUTC: -0400
testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
* Origin: Over The Brink * Grand Island, NY USA *| brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)
SEEN-BY: 1/19 100 16/0 19/36 37 30/0 123/130 134/101 142/104 799 201/0 203/0
SEEN-BY: 221/0 1 6 229/426 240/502 1120 1634 5832 8002 8005 8010 8050 261/20
SEEN-BY: 280/464 5003 5555 292/854 301/1 313/41 320/119 219 319 2119 322/762
SEEN-BY: 325/304 335/364 342/19 371/0 52 382/200 423/81 492/0 530/204 550/278
@PATH: 261/20 320/219 221/1 240/1120 371/0

ByEbYe
--
Daniel

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

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On 13 Mar 2026, Robert Wolfe said the following...

testing posting via thunderbird and nntp

did it work??

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
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Hey Robert!

On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 13:21:32 -0400, you wrote:

testing posting via thunderbird and nntp
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(1:261/20)

If this is a test regarding all of the headers that used to be posted in your NNTP messages, then the test passed!

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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If this is a test regarding all of the headers that used to be posted in you
NNTP messages, then the test passed!

unfortunately, no it wasn't.

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Hey Robert!

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:36:32 -0400, you wrote:

unfortunately, no it wasn't.

Then, I suppose I didn't understand what you were trying to do.

You said something in the lines of "testing Thunderbird and NNTP". Your message didn't include all of those headers. Maybe that only happens when you reply to another message? I don't know.

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
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On Mar 16, 2026 08:28am, Nick Boel wrote to
Robert Wolfe:

Hey Robert!

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 07:36:32 -0400, you

wrote:

unfortunately, no it wasn't.

Then, I suppose I didn't understand what

you were trying to do.

You said something in the lines of

"testing Thunderbird and NNTP". Your

message didn't include all of those

headers. Maybe that only happens

when you reply to another message? I

don't know.

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up

is illegal.

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20260304
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telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin)
(1:154/10)

Thank you, because I kept getting messages
from people saying they saw nntp headers in
the body of messages I post via newsreader.
Apparently some tossers filter that out in
import better than others
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Thank you, because I kept getting messages
from people saying they saw nntp headers in
the body of messages I post via newsreader.
Apparently some tossers filter that out in
import better than others

FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
them out.

Mike

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
* Origin: Capitol City Hub (1:2320/105)

Hey Robert!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:

Thank you, because I kept getting messages
from people saying they saw nntp headers in
the body of messages I post via newsreader.

I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.

Apparently some tossers filter that out in
import better than others

Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message body?

Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?

I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20260304
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Hey Mike!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:04:56 -0500, you wrote:

FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
them out.

Not sure about that, or I probably wouldn't have seen them in the first place (I use both of what you mention above here, and hpt hasn't been updated since 2024; nor did I change any settings).

Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new one.

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20260304
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On 3/16/2026 10:57 AM, Nick Boel wrote:

Hey Mike!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:04:56 -0500, you wrote:

> FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
> them out.

Not sure about that, or I probably wouldn't have seen them in the first place (I use both of what you mention above here, and hpt hasn't been updated since 2024; nor did I change any settings).

Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new one.

Regards,
Nick

.. Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20260304
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Let's try this one. I have ent santronicsa message regarding this.
They are pretty receptive to feedback After all, they are adding binkp
to their front end mailer product after all these years.
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On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:

Hey Robert!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:

> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.

I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.

> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others

Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?

Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?

I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.

tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.
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16 Mar 26 12:13:42 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 6f2a39ff
@TZUTC: -0400
On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:

Hey Robert!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:

> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.

I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.

> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others

Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?

Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?

I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.

tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.
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Hey Robert!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 12:11:16 -0400, you wrote:

On 3/16/2026 10:57 AM, Nick Boel wrote:

Hey Mike!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:04:56 -0500, you wrote:

> FWIW, apparently both sbbsecho (synchronet) and hpt are filtering
> them out.

Not sure about that, or I probably wouldn't have seen them in the
first place (I use both of what you mention above here, and hpt hasn't
been updated since
2024; nor did I change any settings).

Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when
he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting
a new one.

Regards,
Nick

.. Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20260304
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin)
(1:154/10)

Let's try this one. I have ent santronicsa message regarding this.
They are pretty receptive to feedback After all, they are adding binkp
to their front end mailer product after all these years.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
* Origin: Over The Brink * Grand Island, NY USA *| brinkbbs.org
(1:261/20)

This is how your message was received here (without one quote level, of course). Looks much better as far as quoting is concerned.

Was this done with Thunderbird? Or your BBS message editor?

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20260304
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This is how your message was received here (without one quote level, of course). Looks much better as far as quoting is concerned.

Was this done with Thunderbird? Or your BBS message editor?

this reply was done with my bbs' editor. the previous one was with thunderbird.

... Any sufficiently advanced technology looks like magic.
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Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new one.

That could be!

Mike


--- GTMail 1.26
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This is how your message was received here (without one quote level, of course). Looks much better as far as quoting is concerned.

Was this done with Thunderbird? Or your BBS message editor?

This message was wriiten while logged into my bbs. Wildcat! always
uses "->" when quoting.

... Life is short, eat dessert first.
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Re: test
By: Robert Wolfe to Nick Boel on Tue Mar 17 2026 10:29 am

This is how your message was
received here (without one quote
level, of course). Looks much
better as far as quoting is
concerned.

Was this done with Thunderbird? O
your BBS message editor?

This message was wriiten while logge
into my bbs. Wildcat! always
uses "->" when quoting.

... Life is short, eat dessert first

could be worse. I'm on a C64 Ultimate
and when my message word wraps, it
just slaps my words together, and
editing messages seems buggy for me.

If I try and move the cursor while
editing, lines appear and dissapear
seemingly at random, making it
impossible to actually edit anything.


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On Mar 17, 2026 08:20am, Mike Powell wrote to
Nick Boel:

Granted, maybe it only includes those

headers in the message body when he

replies (followup) to a message via NNTP,

rather than just posting a new

one.

That could be!

Mike

The good news is that I brought this to
Santronics' attention and they are going to
put the issue in a parallel bug fix for
px/wins and the wcqwk.exe qwk echomail
processor.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
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Hi Robert,

On 2026-03-17 15:27:42, you wrote to Mike Powell:

Granted, maybe it only includes those

headers in the message body when he

replies (followup) to a message via NNTP,

rather than just posting a new

one.

That could be!

Mike

The good news is that I brought this to
Santronics' attention and they are going to
put the issue in a parallel bug fix for
px/wins and the wcqwk.exe qwk echomail
processor.

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx

... You will be the victim of a bizarre joke.
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Granted, maybe it only includes those headers in the message body when he replies (followup) to a message via NNTP, rather than just posting a new o

That could be!

I brought this up with hector and he is going to see if he can work a
fix for this into the .2 alpha cycle :)

... Some days you're the windshield, some days the bug.
--- Wildcat! v10.0.500.1 (Oct 16 2025), Editor Mod v1.7
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The good news is that I brought this to
Santronics' attention and they are going to
put the issue in a parallel bug fix for
px/wins and the wcqwk.exe qwk echomail
processor.

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

I think I could fix that directly, if I wanted to. I just need to ask if
its in the editor WCC code anywhere.


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Hi Robert,

On 2026-03-17 18:51:28, you wrote to me:

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx

Because it's always been done wrong, doesn't make it right! ;-)

It doesn't follow the accepted and documented standard: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0032.001

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so subsequent quotes become a mess as shown above...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Wilfred,

18 Mar 26 08:50, you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx

Because it's always been done wrong, doesn't make it right! ;-)

It doesn't follow the accepted and documented standard: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0032.001

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so subsequent quotes become a mess as shown above...

yep, these quotations look shitty in golded as well as in most bbs sw..

ByEbYe
--
Daniel

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On 17 Mar 26 20:25:16, Robert Wolfe said the following to Wilfred Van Velzen:

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

I think I could fix that directly, if I wanted to. I just need to ask if its in the editor WCC code anywhere.

You don't have to do anything except show contempt for the Dutch twat.

Nick

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I brought this up with hector and he is going to see if he can work a
fix for this into the .2 alpha cycle :)

Excellent news. Hope they are able to get it figured out and fixed for
you.

Mike


--- GTMail 1.26
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Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
subsequent quotes become a mess as shown above...

It is not coming across as a mess here?

Mike


--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
* Origin: Capitol City Hub (1:2320/105)

Because it's always been done wrong, doesn't make it right! ;-)

It doesn't follow the accepted and documented standard: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0032.001

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so subsequent quotes
become a mess as shown above...

other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as I
can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep you
happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that PCBoard used
a similar quoting style and life went on.

... The above opinion is worth 2 cents.
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On Mar 18, 2026 08:26am, Mike Powell wrote to
Robert Wolfe:

I brought this up with hector and he is

going to see if he can work a

fix for this into the .2 alpha cycle :)

Excellent news. Hope they are able to

get it figured out and fixed for

you.

Mike

--- GTMail 1.26
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moetiki.ddns.net:27

(1:2320/195.0)

if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
something that minor is the least of their
worries. Right now they are more focused on
getting their front end mailer updated with
binkp as their paying customers
(including me) have been needing for years --
proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
know the saying "Money talks."
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Hi Mike,

On 2026-03-18 09:19:52, you wrote to me:

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

why. its been that way since wildcat 2.xx

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
subsequent quotes become a mess as shown above...

It is not coming across as a mess here?

It would become a real mess if the quoted line was longer and would flow over to the next line.

For instance:

abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz

Would become:

abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde

fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz

And it would become more messy if it was quoted again:

abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde

fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz

And again:

abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv

wxyz abcde -> RW> fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz

Etc... It's no longer clear who said what.



Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Robert,

On 2026-03-18 08:26:18, you wrote to me:

Because it's always been done wrong, doesn't make it right! ;-)

It doesn't follow the accepted and documented standard: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0032.001

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so subsequent

quotes -> become a mess as shown above...

other standards have been updated, why can't this one.

It probably can, if you have good arguments, for the FTSC.

But to keep you happy, I've reported this to Santronics.

Thanks.


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On March 18 2026, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz abcde fghij klmnop qrstuv

wxyz abcde -> RW> fghij klmnop qrstuv wxyz

Etc... It's no longer clear who said what.

Hmmmm, yeah, that is not so nice. :(

Mike

--- BinktermPHP v1.8.7
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Re: Re: test
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Robert Wolfe on Wed Mar 18 2026 08:50 am

Can they also fix the "-> " quoting style? ;-)

It doesn't follow the accepted and documented standard: http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0032.001

FSCs are not standards. <shrug>
--
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Hello Robert!

18 Mar 26 08:26, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so

subsequent quotes -> become a mess as shown above...

other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as
I can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep
you happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that
PCBoard used a similar quoting style and life went on.

Some of your messages like this one come out looking fine, and go past what looks like a 40 character limit.
I'm going to quote your next message, and it will look like it was cut at that limit.




Stephen


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Hello Robert!

18 Mar 26 10:31, you wrote to Mike Powell:

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moetiki.ddns.net:27

(1:2320/195.0)

if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
something that minor is the least of their
worries. Right now they are more focused on
getting their front end mailer updated with
binkp as their paying customers
(including me) have been needing for years --
proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
know the saying "Money talks."

This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and looks like it's stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at
that mark. Either way it looks strange.



Stephen


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On 3/19/2026 11:14 AM, Stephen Walsh wrote:

Hello Robert!

18 Mar 26 10:31, you wrote to Mike Powell:

MP>> --- GTMail 1.26
MP>> * Origin: moe's * 1+5028758938 3-9600 *
RW> moetiki.ddns.net:27
MP>> (1:2320/195.0)

RW> if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
RW> something that minor is the least of their
RW> worries. Right now they are more focused on
RW> getting their front end mailer updated with
RW> binkp as their paying customers
RW> (including me) have been needing for years --
RW> proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
RW> know the saying "Money talks."

This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and looks like it's
stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at
that mark. Either way it looks strange.

This is because of thte font size I have to use. Old eyes here. Not as
young as I used to be.
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On 3/19/2026 11:12 AM, Stephen Walsh wrote:

Hello Robert!

18 Mar 26 08:26, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

RW> -> So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
RW> subsequent quotes -> become a mess as shown above...

RW> other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as
RW> I can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep
RW> you happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that
RW> PCBoard used a similar quoting style and life went on.

Some of your messages like this one come out looking fine, and go past what looks like a 40 character limit.
I'm going to quote your next message, and it will look like it was cut at that
limit.

Explained in my previous message.
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On 3/16/2026 12:13 PM, Robert Wolfe wrote:

On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:

Hey Robert!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:

> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.

I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.

> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others

Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?

Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?

I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via
Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.

tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.

I always use follow-up when using thunderbird.
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19 Mar 26 08:18:44 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 cfede073
@TZUTC: -0400
On 3/19/2026 11:12 AM, Stephen Walsh wrote:

Hello Robert!

18 Mar 26 08:26, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

RW> -> So other editors don't recognise this as a quoted line, so
RW> subsequent quotes -> become a mess as shown above...

RW> other standards have been updated, why can't this one. And as far as
RW> I can tell you seem to be the only one PMSing about it. But to keep
RW> you happy, I've reported this to Santronics. And it's off that
RW> PCBoard used a similar quoting style and life went on.

Some of your messages like this one come out looking fine, and go past what looks like a 40 character limit.
I'm going to quote your next message, and it will look like it was cut at that
limit.

Explained in my previous message.
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19 Mar 26 08:21:02 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 784ab518
@TZUTC: -0400
On 3/16/2026 12:13 PM, Robert Wolfe wrote:

On 3/16/2026 10:52 AM, Nick Boel wrote:

Hey Robert!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:39:24 -0400, you wrote:

> Thank you, because I kept getting messages
> from people saying they saw nntp headers in
> the body of messages I post via newsreader.

I was one of them that saw those headers, and wrote to you about it.

> Apparently some tossers filter that out in
> import better than others

Are you sure you didn't adjust Thunderbird to NOT write headers to the message
body?

Were you using the "Reply" button, rather than "Follow-Up"?

I doubt it was a "some tossers" issue, as your last couple of tests via
Thunderbird haven't had the headers in the bodies.

tbh, i don't know how to do that. as long as the mailer part works,
thats all im concerned about.

I always use follow-up when using thunderbird.
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if they fix it, they fix it. Right now,
something that minor is the least of their
worries. Right now they are more focused on
getting their front end mailer updated with
binkp as their paying customers
(including me) have been needing for years --
proper binkp support in Platinum Xpress. you
know the saying "Money talks."

This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and looks like i
stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at
that mark. Either way it looks strange.

Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see
what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of running
a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get old. :)

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Robert Wolfe wrote in a message to Stephen Walsh:

Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see
what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of
running a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get
old. :)

You are not that old. I wear glasses now, whatever if you can't see with them maybe you need to see the eye doc again?

Shawn

P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people who care INSANE.
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Re: test
By: Shawn Highfield to Robert Wolfe on Fri Mar 20 2026 11:17 am

You are not that old. I wear glasse
now, whatever if you can't see with
them maybe you need to see the eye d
again?

You never know. When I did residential
IT, I had a 96 year old customer who
used an electric magnifying glass
pressed directly to the screen to use
AOL mail scaled up to the point where
only three characters were visible on
screen at a time. I feel at that point
you probably ought to get specialized
software, but good luck training a
lady in her 90s.

.s


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On 20 Mar 2026, Shawn Highfield said the following...

nice to see ya Shawn

Robert Wolfe wrote in a message to Stephen Walsh:

Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of
running a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get old. :)

You are not that old. I wear glasses now, whatever if you can't see
with them maybe you need to see the eye doc again?

just gotta get an even bigger screen!

my uncle uses a 45" TV lol. though i shouldn't joke because my screen is 32" and 1440p.. makes for a decently large default font size.

P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people who
care INSANE.

sad most of that old software will remain fixed in time.. it's nice to have options

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On 20 Mar 2026, Max Stubbs said the following...

You never know. When I did residential
IT, I had a 96 year old customer who
used an electric magnifying glass
pressed directly to the screen to use
AOL mail scaled up to the point where
only three characters were visible on
screen at a time. I feel at that point
you probably ought to get specialized
software, but good luck training a
lady in her 90s.

right.. screen readers now are probably pretty slick. maybe it's time to learn how one works and set it up as one of those "you never know until you need it" sort of things.. "ain't gettin' any younger"

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Hi Shawn,

On 2026-03-20 11:17:46, you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

@MSGID: 1:229/452.0 9bd73f80
@REPLY: 1:261/20 8198d7ac
@PID: timEd 1.10.y2k+
@TAGID: Tag-O-Matic V.13F Reg'd 5a5
@TID: FastEcho 1.46.1 10510

P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but
when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people
who care INSANE.

Indeed your message has no TZUTC kludge! :-(


Bye, Wilfred.

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You are not that old. I wear glasses now, whatever if you can't see with th
maybe you need to see the eye doc again?

My vision is 20/30 without glasses and 20/20 with. I think it was just
the fact I was up at the crack of dawn reading messages

P.S. I have a modern working message tosser I normally use (HPT) but when posting here I like to use old broken software to make the people who care INSANE.

LOL some things never change. Happy to see you're still around.

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sad most of that old software will remain fixed in time.. it's nice to have options

Yeah but the good thing is is Santronics is back to active work onWINS
and PX. They even have a working WC4 system running it seems :)

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Hi Robert,

sad most of that old software will remain fixed in time.. it's nice to
have options

Contrary to GoldED, Winpoint doesn't have any issues with those "special" quotes :-)

Yeah but the good thing is is Santronics is back to active work onWINS
and PX. They even have a working WC4 system running it seems :)

It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge... (FTS-0009)

Carlos

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Hello Wilfred!

20 Mar 26 17:41, you wrote to me:

Indeed your message has no TZUTC kludge! :-(

If I could strip everything I would. I mean I use 30 year old software
and it can deal with that, but for some reason new software can't?

Silly.

Shawn


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Indeed your message has no TZUTC kludge! :-(

If I could strip everything I would. I mean I use 30 year old software and it can deal with that, but for some reason new software can't?

Correction - The Dutch can't.

Nick

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Hello Robert!

20 Mar 26 07:30, you wrote to me:

This is your next message. Notice how it's got no line flow and

looks like i -> stuck at 40 characters or did you press enter at ->
that mark. Either way it looks strange.

Again, large font in my offline message editor so I can actually see
what I'm typing even with glasses. Methinks allthese years of running
a BBS have ruined my eyesight. Do us a favor and don't get old. :)

Yeah, the old CRT's f'd my eyesight as well... Now you tell me about getting old!


Stephen


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Hello Max!

20 Mar 26 08:42, you wrote to Shawn Highfield:

screen at a time. I feel at that point
you probably ought to get specialized
software, but good luck training a
lady in her 90s.

Is that like trying to train a cat? #-./


Stephen


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It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge...

(FTS-0009)

It is what it is. AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL DEVELOPING ANDSUPPORTING THE PRODUCTS.
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On 20 Mar 26 20:24:44, Robert Wolfe said the following to Carlos Navarro:

It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge...

(FTS-0009)

It is what it is. AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL DEVELOPING ANDSUPPORTING THE PRODUCTS.

Its tempting to Fabreeze the nauseating Dutch stench by shutting off those silly kludges here entirely. Just for some fresh air while someone takes their stained suspenders to the laundromat.

Nick

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Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 20/3/26 20:24 you wrote:

It would be nice if they at least supported the REPLY kludge...

It is what it is. AT LEAST THEY ARE STILL DEVELOPING
ANDSUPPORTING THE PRODUCTS.

Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that they are developing their products.

It was just a suggestion to improve their support for Fidonet.

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Carlos
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Re: test
By: Stephen Walsh to Max Stubbs on Sat Mar 21 2026 11:15 am

Is that like trying to train a cat?

There at least are real stories
of cats being successfully
trained.


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On 3/21/2026 6:20 PM, Carlos Navarro wrote to Robert Wolfe:

@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android

fwiw, I've been trying for days to remember the name of this now.:)

Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that they are developing their products.

It was just a suggestion to improve their support for Fidonet.

I know. I can probably change the quote character since I own a PlusPack license. I just
have to find where in the source it's located.
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Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 21/3/26 20:09 you wrote:

@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android

fwiw, I've been trying for days to remember the name of this
now.:)

You mean HotdogEd? It's a great app, I love it!

Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that they are developing their
products. It was just a suggestion to improve their support for
Fidonet.

I know. I can probably change the quote character since I own a PlusPack license. I just have to find where in the source it's located.

I didn't mean the quoting style... I was talking about the missing REPLY control line.

It would be good if they added support for it. Do the developers read the Wildcat echo or others? Any other way to contact them?

--
Carlos
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On Mar 22, 2026 01:38pm, Carlos Navarro wrote
to Robert Wolfe:

Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 21/3/26 20:09 you wrote:

@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android

fwiw, I've been trying for days to

remember the name of this

now.:)

You mean HotdogEd? It's a great app, I

love it!

Ok, no need to be upset. It's good that

they are developing their

products. It was just a suggestion to

improve their support for

Fidonet.

I know. I can probably change the

quote character since I own a

PlusPack license. I just have to find

where in the source it's

located.

I didn't mean the quoting style... I was

talking about the missing REPLY

control line.

It would be good if they added support

for it. Do the developers read

the Wildcat echo or others? Any other

way to contact them?
No. They do not read any fido echoes as they
are not on Fidonet.

http://www.santronics.com is thteir website.

Right now we Wildcat! sysops are just glad
they are adding binkp support to their
product after years of bitching at them about
it.

Way I see it, is as long as it works, I don't
care if it meets old, outdated standards or
not.
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