On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 23:42:46 +0200, Bj�rn Felten -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

This doesn't answer my question, if my guesses were even correct.

Incredible. Well, I'll try with longer lines then, so you can understand my answer:

If my original guess wasn't correct, just say so. You seem to be trying to lead me into an abyss I don't care to go to.

One underscore, two, or three. Doesn't matter. A shorter line makes me guess subtraction, a longer line makes me guess division. I don't know what you're trying to do, but if it's something you're whipping up from 40+ years ago, I've already lost interest.

The order of operations is constant. Whether you interpret it differently from most others (in many languages) is your problem, not mine.

End result, one of Michiel's answers was correct first, so he gets whatever prize was offered. A ticket to Lee's funzone, per se. However, if it's the same "he who we don't name" as has been going on in this echo for a few years now, it's obviously death. Which is pretty shitty, so maybe you should take up your frustrations with him, instead.

Regards,
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Nicholas Boel -> Bj�rn Felten skrev 2024-06-30 05:40:

One underscore, two, or three. Doesn't matter. A shorter line makes me guess subtraction, a longer line makes me guess division. I don't know what you're trying to do, but if it's something you're whipping up from 40+ years ago, I've already lost interest.

I guess you never got to fractions at school. May I recommend some reading about numerators and denominators?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraction


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I guess you never got to fractions at school. May I recommend some
reading about numerators and denominators?

Please be aware of #18 in the set of "Dossche's Laws"..

"Abandon any on-line discussion which stretches beyond 2 cycles. If more time is needed it will lead nowhere"

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Hello Nicholas,

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Still no parenthesis needed. Knowing the order of operations, one knows to do division before subtraction. However, if #1 was written like this, it would have a different result because parenthesis goes before division, which I'm sure you understand - being an old school mathematician and all:

(7 - 7) / 7 = 0

The order of operations changes over time.

Whether it be PEMDAS, BEDMAS, BOMDAS, whatever abbreviation Michiel used, and whatever else is out there, they're all just acronyms for the "order of
operations", which never changes.

Please. Don't make me laugh. Who wrote the rules? Nobody. As I tried
to explain to Michiel (he is very dense) not everything is the same.
I even showed him an example to make my point very clear -

6 ö 2 (1 + 2) = ?

Go ahead. Solve the problem yourself. It is not that hard.

The correct answer is 9. Or is it?

Prior to 1917, the correct answer is 1.

So which answer is correct?

Since nobody wrote the rules, it is whatever goes.

From what I've noticed, some countries call parenthesis brackets (I don't know why), where we call "[]" brackets. So the acronym changes to fit whatever country and however they learned the order of operations.

Rules? There are no rules. So what does it matter? The rules of order
are whatever one wants to make them out to be. And from whatever time.

Either way, the actual "order of operations" stays the same.

According to who? The Romans? The Greeks? What about the Chinese?

Maybe the world shouldn't have made up different acronyms for it - as that obviously led to a lot of confusion, but there's nothing we can do about the past, except to try to stay on the right track in the future.

The rules of order are an approximation, made at different times,
and even acronyms differing depending on time of usage. So what is
the right track? What is the left track? Is there any track one can
ever be sure to be on?

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Ward Dossche wrote to Not To Anyone Specific ... <=-

I guess you never got to fractions at school. May I recommend some
reading about numerators and denominators?

Please be aware of #18 in the set of "Dossche's Laws"..

"Abandon any on-line discussion which stretches beyond 2 cycles. If
more time is needed it will lead nowhere"

Please add a Corollary to this Law that modifies it to only ONE cycle of conversation if said conversation is with a person named Beeeeeorn in a FidoNet echo.



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Nicholas Boel wrote to Björn Felten <=-

Incredible. Well, I'll try with longer lines then, so you can understand my answer:

If my original guess wasn't correct, just say so. You seem to be trying
to lead me into an abyss I don't care to go to.

Any time you try to engage with Beeeeorn, that's what he does. Every. Single. Time.

One underscore, two, or three. Doesn't matter. A shorter line makes me guess subtraction, a longer line makes me guess division. I don't know what you're trying to do, but if it's something you're whipping up from 40+ years ago, I've already lost interest.

He's doing what he always does. Trying to show that he's "clever", and failing miserably.

The order of operations is constant. Whether you interpret it
differently from most others (in many languages) is your problem, not mine.

Goddam right.


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On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:17:20 +0200, Ward Dossche -> Not To Anyone Specific ... wrote:

I guess you never got to fractions at school. May I recommend some
reading about numerators and denominators?

Please be aware of #18 in the set of "Dossche's Laws"..

"Abandon any on-line discussion which stretches beyond 2 cycles. If more time is needed it will lead nowhere"

It took more than 2 cycles just to figure out what the hell he was talking about. How does that play into your laws?

Regards,
Nick

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On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 14:05:00 -0500, Dan Clough -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

He's doing what he always does. Trying to show that he's "clever", and failing miserably.

Welp, I guess he got me. Somehow he was able to pull fractions out of his ass, and wrote it out in the ugliest way I have ever seen, even for a computer. :|

*shrug*, live and learn...

Regards,
Nick

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On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:56:40 +0200, Lee Lofaso -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

6 ÷ 2 (1 + 2) = ?

Go ahead. Solve the problem yourself. It is not that hard.

The correct answer is 9. Or is it?

Correct, when following the order of operations.

Prior to 1917, the correct answer is 1.

So which answer is correct?

Apparantly, prior to 1917, they didn't read from left to right?

Since nobody wrote the rules, it is whatever goes.

Here's some nice pictures for you:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/12/fb/22/12fb223973fc3ff2ae9e831fca94e1ee.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/af/30/9baf30b7ded60fb1695c1ecf6c809108.jpg

This is some 5th and 6th grade stuff we're going on about here, but I suppose it's a bit more interesting than the echo having no activity whatsoever for a week.

Regards,
Nick

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Nicholas Boel wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Since nobody wrote the rules, it is whatever goes.

Here's some nice pictures for you:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/12/fb/22/12fb223973fc3ff2ae9e831fca94e1ee.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/af/30/9baf30b7ded60fb1695c1ecf6c809108.jpg

This is some 5th and 6th grade stuff we're going on about here, but I suppose it's a bit more interesting than the echo having no activity whatsoever for a week.

You have to remember that "Lee", who is actually Beeeeorn's sockpuppet, dropped out of school midway through 3rd grade, so this is all very
advanced for him/them.




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Hey Dan,

Please add a Corollary to this Law that modifies it to only ONE cycle of conversation if said conversation is with a person named Beeeeeorn in a FidoNet echo.

Hmmmmm .... I think I'll pass ...

But you need to have a thorough understanding of the concept of "freedom of speech" when questioning issues put forward by Bjorn.

I think Bjorn had a point, not that I agree with it, but he had a point anyway.

"Freedom of speech" is such an interesting little thing. The one whose name we are not supposed to mention even prompted me to define law #17...

"Lying is an ultimate form of free speech"

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Re: Math Test
By: Nicholas Boel to Björn Felten on Sat Jun 29 2024 07:46 am

Whether it be PEMDAS, BEDMAS, BOMDAS, whatever abbreviation Michiel used, and whatever else is out there, they're all just acronyms for the "order of operations", which never changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaD3kGSxaVs
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On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:37:30 -0700, Rob Swindell -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaD3kGSxaVs

"Mathematics is not a game you should play by your own rules." :)

Regards,
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On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 04:49:12 +0200, Bj�rn Felten -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

It's just that I was taken by surprise to see that someone could actually confuse a fraction symbol - the horizontal line - with a minus operator.

You got me. Is that what you want to hear?

There were no fractions in any of the discussions we were having before you posted it. You changed the subtraction sign we were originally talking about to a fraction, then you waited 2 full days to tell me what your little "blackboard" picture actually meant.

Good job. You deserve a pat on the back. However, it still doesn't change the order of operations, which was my original point. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

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