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    From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu May 12 00:23:20 2022
    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic
    weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
    to make nukes rather quickly.

    Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian. They have the tecknology.

    They gave up their nuclear weapons. Russia guaranteed them that they would not be invaded. Are you getting the picture?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu May 12 00:30:44 2022
    The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the holy
    memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize monuments,

    Every nation can put up or take down monuments as they please. Even here in Canada we have been taking down old monuments that were once venerated.

    they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops.

    They do not. You are wrong. You have been misled.

    The dislike of Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is not in the present day Russia.

    Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which depends on how this ends.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sun May 15 14:31:32 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have
    atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear
    stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
    Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian.
    They have
    the tecknology.

    Nobody should have to send their family to Poland & then have to sit home
    and
    try to defend their apartment from Russian military. That policy sucks and >Zelenski needs to figure out something better. I hope that people keep a
    close eye on what happens to the aid that genius Biden keeps sending to
    him.

    Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially successful
    in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for much longer.

    And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024 so he can deny
    Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend itself from Russia?

    My, my. What a gift to Vladimir Putin that would be.

    Of course, raising the Russian flag over the White House would be
    Trump's dream come true. Too bad the American people refuse to let
    him do that.

    Remember, you are talking about the same guy who attempted to
    blackmail the Ukrainian president into submission to Putin - just
    before the US presidential election.

    How did that work out for him? Biden thumped Trump, by over
    7 million votes, in the presidential election. And Zelensky remains
    president of Ukraine, defending his country and his people.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun May 15 15:38:10 2022
    You can't blame Putin for Zelenski's mistreatment of his people. When Biden makes us defend our homes against the Russian military, you will not be blaming Putin.

    No you can't. If Zelensky was mistreating his people they wouldn't stand by him the way they do, they would stand behind your Putin.

    Why are you still expecting a Russian/Ukrainian conflict by 2024? Is that how much confidence you have in these losers?

    The conflict in Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014 supported by your Putin again.

    The solution to the conflict isn't Trump; it's surrender.

    The Ukrainian people seem to to disagree with you.

    If they had surrendered where do you think they would be now?

    Ukraine already lost the war when they lost civilian lives.

    That is the result of Russias actions. They are fighting for their country and families.

    That was clue #999 that it was time to surrender. It's Zelenski and Biden
    who are causing all of this,

    No, it is Russia that caused all of this.

    and Putin is just a criminal without a care in the world.

    I think Putin has plenty of cares these days although it is not the people of Russia. He is caring about where his next super yacht ride is coming from.

    DEFENDING? He's doing a terrible job! The people who got blown up inside their apartments wished they had taken cover wherever that bastard Zelenski is hiding.

    What has he done so terrible?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 20:56:37 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially
    successful in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for
    much longer. And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024
    so he can deny Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend
    itself from Russia?

    I am busy for a while at my work, so I'll answer in a short way and give you
    some food for thought ;). The people in America and Europe first should understand a simple thing -- if somebody does such a big and risky invasion there should be a great reason for it. If you had understood that great reason a bit earlier you could do a lot to prevent a present day havoc.

    Neo-cons convinced GWB to invade Iraq because the "Butcher of Bagdad"
    was a bad guy and had to go. GWB gave every excuse in the book he could
    think of as "reasons" to do so, but could show no evidence to support
    his wild claims. Nonetheless, GWB ordered the invasion, and it was all
    done. The first time in history the USA had been the aggressor in any
    war.

    What would be the result if neo-cons had convinced GWB to take out
    the leader of North Korea? Or the mullahs of Iran? I think we all know
    the answer to those questions.

    What do neocons seek to accomplish in this Ukraine/Russia conflict?
    Which side is the real aggressor? If the neocons goal is to weaken
    Russia so it would no longer be a threat to others, then the answer
    should be obvious to all ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 20:56:49 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.
    That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is
    doing today.

    Leave Russia alone. Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those who
    defeated Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes. Disliking Russia
    is a very poor justification and miserable disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states all are ruled by neo-Nazi. The only reason
    why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-Russian policy of the
    mentioned states.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/
    zelensky-world-war-iii/


    There are others who also agree with that view. How easily the world
    forgets when not reminded of even the recent past ...

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 12:35:08 2022
    That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is
    doing today.

    Leave Russia alone.

    No one is interfering with Russia.

    Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those who defeated Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes.

    What monument has been taken down?

    I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv recently that was something about the friendship between Russia and Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship between Russia and Ukraine.

    Disliking Russia is a very poor justification and miserable disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states all are ruled by
    neo-Nazi.

    That is Russian proaganda that your state run TV portrays. It is untrue. Ukraine, Poland and the baltic state are not neo-nazi.

    The only reason why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-Russian
    policy of the mentioned states.

    There is no anti-Russian policy. People generally (around the world) don't like what Russia has done/is doing in Ukraine. That is not a policy.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Mon May 16 12:39:30 2022
    Zelenski is putting women and children on trains to leave the country, and he's forcing civilian men to remain in Ukraine and to fight the Russian military.

    That is not Zelensky. That is an old law on the books. That would have happened regrdless of who the leader of Ukraine happens to be.

    You might have something similar in Russia.

    The media has you trained to take sides with their preferred winner, and anyone who disagrees is a "Putin pal."

    The media doesn't decide anything for me.

    Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness" is a distraction and big hero Zelenski is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at the expense of Ukranian families.

    You are right, Putin is pure evil. It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and Russia who is responsible for what happened/is happening there.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 17 01:04:05 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    What has he done so terrible?

    Zelenski is putting women and children on trains to leave the country, and
    he's forcing civilian men to remain in Ukraine and to fight the Russian military.

    I hate to bust your bubble, big guy, but there is a war going on.
    Zelensky is their president, and doing the job he was elected to do.

    The media has you trained to take sides with their preferred winner, and
    anyone who disagrees is a "Putin pal."

    Zelensky needs all the help he can get, as his country (and people)
    is under attack by a hostile power.

    Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness" is a distraction and big hero Zelenski
    is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at the expense of Ukranian families.

    Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland ... all sacrificed without a shot
    to Hitler's Nazi Germany so there could be peace in Europe. Why not
    have the entire world wave a big white flag in front of Putin's
    bloated face so there could be peace for everyone?

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 17 11:43:38 2022
    Not the whole world, just the countries under media control (Ukraine, USA, Canada) are the ones who should surrender.

    Media control? How so?

    If you and/or your family was attacked would you simply surrender?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 19 05:28:46 2022
    The thesis that Russian troops enter Ukraine to eat civilians, make them slaves, put into detention camps etc is wrong. Any civilians are safe
    until some guys set up machine-guns in their houses. So called
    "defenders" appeared to be the main danger for them. But it explicable
    easily -- all the "defended" areas had a pro-Russian population. They
    could greet Russian troop unless the Ukrainians with right national orientation "defend" them.

    No one ever said that Russian troops were going to eat civilians. It is clear as a bell now what Russian has done and wants to do in Ukraine.

    Russia is not defenders in Ukraine. They are invaders and occupiers.

    What Russia has done in Ukraine is unconscionable, and undefendable.

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