I am working on setting up my Telegard system as a point off my Renegade setup. Is there anything special I have to do in the D'Bridge host to set it up as a point? I was going through the docs and didn't see much.

Thanks!

... Def. of a beetle : A fly on steroids.

--- Renegade v1.25/DOS
* Origin: The Pot O'Gold - bbs.thepotogold.net:4888 (1:387/28)

I am working on setting up my Telegard system as a point off my Renegade setup. Is there anything special I have to do in the D'Bridge host to
set it up as a point? I was going through the docs and didn't see much.

I got this message twice ...

PATH: 387/28 396/45 280/464 292/854
PATH: 387/28 396/45 261/38 640/1321 1384 633/280 229/426 292/854

Crappy version of Renegade?

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

On 12 Nov 2021, Ward Dossche said the following...

I got this message twice ...

PATH: 387/28 396/45 280/464 292/854
PATH: 387/28 396/45 261/38 640/1321 1384 633/280 229/426 292/854

I got this message twice as well:

PATH 1: 387/28 396/45 280/464 240/5832 229/426
PATH 2: 387/28 396/45 261/38 640/1321 1384 633/280 229/426


Jay

... I'm a soldier, not a diplomat. I can only tell the truth.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

|03Quoting message from |11Ward Dossche |03to |11Andy Gorman
|03on |1112 Nov 21 22:27:32|03.

I got this message twice ...

PATH: 387/28 396/45 280/464 292/854
PATH: 387/28 396/45 261/38 640/1321 1384 633/280 229/426 292/854

Not sure, but I may or may not have had a crash of D'Bridge at the time I sent this.

... War is just Nature's way of keeping humanity in check.

--- Renegade v1.25/DOS
* Origin: The Pot O'Gold - bbs.thepotogold.net:4888 (1:387/28)

PATH: 387/28 396/45 280/464 292/854
PATH: 387/28 396/45 261/38 640/1321 1384 633/280 229/426 292/854

Not sure, but I may or may not have had a crash of D'Bridge at the time I sent this.

I would say the absence of a MSGID will make a number of systems en-route barf.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

|03Quoting message from |11Ward Dossche |03to |11Andy Gorman
|03on |1113 Nov 21 01:30:58|03.

I would say the absence of a MSGID will make a number of systems en-route

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

... When in doubt, run in circles and scream and shout.

--- Renegade v1.25/DOS
* Origin: The Pot O'Gold - bbs.thepotogold.net:4888 (1:387/28)

*** Quoting Andy Gorman from a message to Ward Dossche ***

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

For Telegard anyway, it's the BBS that adds the MSGID.


Jay

... He who laughs, lasts

--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Northern Realms/TG (1:229/664.2)

I would say the absence of a MSGID will make a number of systems

en-route

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

I would say the tosser...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Hello Andy!

13 Nov 21 09:27, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

Normally a MSGID is inserted by the software that creates the message, whether it be a BBS, a SysOp editor like GoldED or MsgEd, or a utility program such as those that post text files in FTN message bases. For more details, consult FTS-0009. (http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0009.001)

Andrew
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
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Hello Ward!

13 Nov 21 19:16, you wrote to Andy Gorman:

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

I would say the tosser...

Many tossers use MSGIDs as part of their echomail duplicate detection, but they are normally generated/inserted by the software that creates the message.

Andrew
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Phoenix BBS * phoenix.bnbbbs.net (1:320/219)

Andrew,

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

I would say the tosser...

Many tossers use MSGIDs as part of their echomail duplicate detection,
but they are normally generated/inserted by the software that creates
the message.

Do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

I would say the absence of a MSGID will make a number of systems AG> WD> en-ro

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

MSGID/REPLYID should be done by the BBS.

... Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

|03Quoting message from |11Andrew Leary |03to |11Andy Gorman
|03on |1114 Nov 21 01:58:19|03.

Normally a MSGID is inserted by the software that creates the message, whe it be a BBS, a SysOp editor like GoldED or MsgEd, or a utility program suc those that post text files in FTN message bases. For more details, consul FTS-0009. (http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0009.001)

Andrew

Thanks for the tip. I'll see if there is a setting in my software that needs to be set.

Andy
--- Renegade v1.25/DOS
* Origin: The Pot O'Gold - bbs.thepotogold.net:4888 (1:387/28)

So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?

MSGID/REPLYID should be done by the BBS.

Wrong layer .... if you ask me.

I don't have a BBS ... anymore.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

MSGID/REPLYID should be done by the BBS.

Wrong layer .... if you ask me.

The answer is specific to his question. He is running a BBS and its not possible for his tosser to add a REPLYID given his setup. There is no other layer, the only place it can work at all would be if his BBS does it.

... Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

On 15 Nov 21 12:50:37, James Coyle said the following to Ward Dossche:

Wrong layer .... if you ask me.

The answer is specific to his question. He is running a BBS and its not possible for his tosser to add a REPLYID given his setup. There is no othe layer, the only place it can work at all would be if his BBS does it.

This echo is for discussing (D)rinking and (B)eer... 8-)

Anything beyond that, well apparently we question if you can trace your family background to the Netherlands...

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

James,

MSGID/REPLYID should be done by the BBS.

Wrong layer .... if you ask me.

The answer is specific to his question. He is running a BBS and its not possible for his tosser to add a REPLYID given his setup. There is no other layer, the only place it can work at all would be if his BBS does
it.

Fidonet is not about BBSs though BBSs can use it to link-up. Hence my answer is correct.

The original question was "So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?"

"Handling MSGIDs" implies that the MSGID is already there otherwise it cannot be handled at all, so it's the tosser handling it, not the BBS.

If you wanted to ask about setting or inserting a MSGID, then you expressed yourself rather poorly.

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Fidonet is not about BBSs though BBSs can use it to link-up. Hence my

His question was specific to his BBS running Renegade so jumping in about something else isn't beneficial and only serves to create confusion.

(Fidonet was absolutely created with the sole purpose of networking bulletin board systems together. I was there. It has evolved since then but that was its entire purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet)

The original question was "So is it the mailer or the BBS that handles MSGIDs?"

MSGID/REPLYID does not come from the mailer. It needs to come from the reader client (whatever that may be). The reader client is the only thing that knows what messages are replies to other messages, and as such its the only thing that can properly assign REPLYIDs. The MSGID itself can either come from the BBS or the tosser.

This is nothing new, its how every BBS or client/reader works that support these systems properly, because thats how it has to work.

If he wanted to have a full MSGID/REPLYID and thread tracking like he may be used to seeing in Mystic and Synchronet, then it must be done by Renegade and its proprietary .MSG tosser in his setup's case.

... Some people have no idea what they're doing, and are really good at it!
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

James,

(Fidonet was absolutely created with the sole purpose of networking bulletin board systems together. I was there. It has evolved since then but that was its entire purpose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet)

Are your Dutch relatives causing you headaches again ?

Second, I don't know what "I was there" means because I only see a James Coyle listed for 42 days in 2001 and then your current nodenumber since March 2013. Unless you're one of Janis' secret friends ...

The original question was "So is it the mailer or the BBS that
handles MSGIDs?"

MSGID/REPLYID does not come from the mailer.

Please read what is said originally ... "handles" ... That means the MSGID is already there ... i.e. how will an existing MSGID be dealt with.

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Are your Dutch relatives causing you headaches again ?

In that context I would count you as my Dutch relative, so sure! ;)

Second, I don't know what "I was there" means because I only see a James Coyle listed for 42 days in 2001 and then your current nodenumber since March 2013. Unless you're one of Janis' secret friends ...

My original net hasn't existed for decades, which really should be common sense. I spent a total of maybe 60 seconds to Google "old FidoNet nodelist" and immediately found one from 1994 with me in:

https://happy.kiev.ua/pub/nodelist/old/nodelist/1994/nodelist.063

Of course by 1994 I was a hub and running my own custom software out of a college town which didn't happen overnight. You could possibly still trace back into the 80s as a user posting about programming if you wanted to.

Its almost like you didn't even care about diligence before you typed, and whatever this is that you're trying to do here isn't genuine. :)

Please read what is said originally ... "handles" ... That means the
MSGID is already there ... i.e. how will an existing MSGID be dealt with.

A mailer isn't touching MSGIDs in any case, and what I said is 100% accurate.

Hopefully he'll be able to distinguish between the person who understands the technology from the person who jumps into other people's conversations just to create arguments! This isn't on topic here anyway.

... Intelligence tests are biased toward the literate.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/06 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

James,

My original net hasn't existed for decades, which really should be common sense. I spent a total of maybe 60 seconds to Google "old FidoNet nodelist" and immediately found one from 1994 with me in:

https://happy.kiev.ua/pub/nodelist/old/nodelist/1994/nodelist.063

Actually, there is no James Coyle in there. If that Jim Coyle is you, then fine but you cannot blame me for not finding any James Coyle.

Hopefully he'll be able to distinguish between the person who understands the technology from the person who jumps into other people's
conversations just to create arguments! This isn't on topic here anyway.

Indeed it isn't, D'Bridge doesn't give a shite about MSGID.

BTW, it would look a lot better if you stopped calling yourself "g00r00" ...

Stay safe, mask up, get the jab ...

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Actually, there is no James Coyle in there. If that Jim Coyle is you,
then fine but you cannot blame me for not finding any James Coyle.

I didn't blame you for anything. You jumped into a conversation that didn't involve you, said a bunch of incorrect nonsense, accused me of lying about my "Fidonet cred" (also incorrectly, seems to be a pattern) all while behaving like a toddler...

BTW, it would look a lot better if you stopped calling yourself "g00r00"

If it repels people who have nothing better to do then to project their own misery all over Fidonet for no reason, then I'd say it serves its purpose quite well!

... "No comment" is a comment.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/18 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

James,

I didn't blame you for anything.

Cut the semantics ... a rose by any other name still is a rose.

If it repels people who have nothing better to do then to project their
own misery all over Fidonet for no reason, then I'd say it serves its purpose quite well!

Yes, mister g00r00 sah.

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

I didn't blame you for anything.

Cut the semantics ... a rose by any other name still is a rose.

I've only responded to things you directly said to me out of nowhere. I never blamed you for anything. I did correct you with proof when you said I was lying about my "FidoNet creds" (lol who would even do that). There are no semantics here, just the truth.

You are at a point where you can either accept accountability for the way you are behaving, or you can continue to fathom up some boogey man so you don't have to accept that you're wrong. Up to you, I could care less.

Take care.

... A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/18 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Hi James,

On 2021-11-19 09:37:18, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

I did correct you with proof when you said I was lying about my
"FidoNet creds"

What proof? There is no James Coyle in the nodelist you gave the link for...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

I did correct you with proof when you said I was lying about my "FidoNet creds"

What proof? There is no James Coyle in the nodelist you gave the link for...

Ahh yes...

That person with the same name from the same town with the same address who ran a BBS with the same name is NOT me, and is obviously someone else. Clearly thats the conclusion that a reasonable sane person would come to after viewing that nodelist!

... As I said before, I never repeat myself

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/18 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Mr. g00r00 sah,

That person with the same name from the same town with the same address
who ran a BBS with the same name is NOT me, and is obviously someone
else. Clearly thats the conclusion that a reasonable sane person would come to after viewing that nodelist!

I took the URL which you showed, used the search function of an editor for 'James Coyle' and 'nada'... Nodelists aren't intended to be read as a newspaper, they're technical documents intended to be machine-read.

You knew there was a Jim Coyle entry, so you knew what to look for ... not Wilfred nor I.

I/we (?) also searched for "James Coyle" in

https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/
http://ambrosia60.dd-dns.de/fidonet/nlarchive2.php

'Nada' on both counts...

\%/@rd
--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

Hi James,

On 2021-11-19 15:38:16, you wrote to me:

I did correct you with proof when you said I was lying about my
"FidoNet creds"

What proof? There is no James Coyle in the nodelist you gave the link
for...

Ahh yes...

That person with the same name from the same town with the same address who
ran a BBS with the same name is NOT me, and is obviously someone else.

There is no person with the same name. There are 3 persons with the last name Coyle in that list, but all list a different Town then your currently listed Philadelphia. And there are no addresses in the nodelist (so we can't compare those). And there was no system with the name "Mystic BBS Support" in that nodelist. Have you even looked at that nodelist? You are not making any sense...

Bye, Wilfred.
--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello James,

On Fri Nov 19 2021 15:38:16, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Ahh yes...

You're better off leaving it alone my good man. These are the same people that police the nodelist (and yes, they actually made an echo for it) because they have nothing better to do besides argue with others until whatever conversation they decide to jump into abruptly goes silent due to others not wanting to stoop to their level. Fidonet at it's finest.

I'd rather this echo go back to discussing D'Bridge and the future cowbell it will include, because well, we always need more cowbell. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20210705
* Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

Nick,

You're better off leaving it alone my good man. These are the same people that police the nodelist (and yes, they actually made an echo for it) because they have nothing better to do besides argue with others until whatever conversation they decide to jump into abruptly goes silent due
to others not wanting to stoop to their level. Fidonet at it's finest.

With the nodelist being at the center of Fidonet-operations, maintaining it at certain moments is a tedious business. Without a decent nodelist we're fried.

While one might get upset with the nodelist police's activity, it's possible to just ignore it or try to turn it into a resource for monitoring what happens to said nodelist-entries. I'm in-between both.

It resulted over the years into a pretty clean nodelist ... no more fax-numbers, no more private phones, no more street-adressess, in a certain case even someone's shoe-size. ill-formed flags, unknown flags.... more stuff.

The "invention" of the daily-lists was also a seed planted by the nodelist-police and other things too all resulting from discussions.

Gone are the days of Bob Satti and Ron Dwight who just loved sitting on their throne and dispensing their wisdom. In the case of Ron Dwight it meant a lot of controversial things and Bob Satti fought like hell first to keep high modem speeds and later IP out of the nodelist.

It seems to me a lot has gone over your head when you make the remarks quoted above.

This is just a clarification, nothing more.

Take care,

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

There is no person with the same name. There are 3 persons with the last name Coyle in that list, but all list a different Town then your
currently listed Philadelphia. And there are no addresses in the
nodelist (so we can't compare those). And there was no system with the name "Mystic BBS Support" in that nodelist. Have you even looked at that nodelist? You are not making any sense...

Jim is the abbreviation for James, so yes its the same name. The Net 268 person decided he was going to use the abbrivated version when he listed me in 1991 and I didn't give a shit that he did. Any reasonable person would see that and come to the same conclusion but maybe its a language thing and you don't know they are the same name?

Regardless this conversation was never about truth and it never is with you. *IF ONLY* there were 27 years of software releases that I've done where one could see the location and where other information could easily be verified...

LOL

... Old computers make great boat anchors
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/18 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

You're better off leaving it alone my good man. These are the same
people that police the nodelist (and yes, they actually made an echo for it) because they have nothing better to do besides argue with others
until whatever conversation they decide to jump into abruptly goes
silent due to others not wanting to stoop to their level. Fidonet at
it's finest.

Right on, its always for the best to get your amusement from them and then move on after a few. They have nothing better to do than to continue to make up a world that isn't real and try to argue things that aren't even arguable.

They've been "harassing me" for years (at least I think thats what they think they're doing). I get amused by their backwards behavior so I keep it going for a bit...

More recently part of me is saddened as I think about it. They've probably spent their entire mid-life engrossed in everything FidoNet. It was their lives, their passion, their personality was created on FidoNet. And then Fido became so incredibly insigificant. They literally made fun of me for using an alias and if that isn't an indicator of how amazingly out of touch they are...

Anyway, yeah. This echo should be cowbell-only. Lets hope they'll keep their nonsense to their usual places (ie support areas for my software) and refrain from trying to harass me in other places.

... What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men?
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/18 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

On 22 Nov 21 11:52:07, James Coyle said the following to Nicholas Boel:

Anyway, yeah. This echo should be cowbell-only. Lets hope they'll keep th

D'Bridge has a Cowbell feature, in fact a few hooks to allow playing of audio files on personal mail. So naturally I *expect* you to "one up" me every
time I publish an update... lol.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

D'Bridge has a Cowbell feature, in fact a few hooks to allow playing of audio files on personal mail. So naturally I *expect* you to "one up" me every time I publish an update... lol.

I just renamed mystic.exe to cowbell.exe! Your move, sir! :)

... A PC a day keeps the Apple away!
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/18 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Hello g00r00 James,

Any reasonable person
would see that and come to the same conclusion but maybe its a language thing and you don't know they are the same name?

Ahhhhhhh .... there we have the zone warz again .... I thought we had gotten rid of those...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

On 22 Nov 21 13:40:18, James Coyle said the following to Nick Andre:

D'Bridge has a Cowbell feature, in fact a few hooks to allow playing o audio files on personal mail. So naturally I *expect* you to "one up" every time I publish an update... lol.

I just renamed mystic.exe to cowbell.exe! Your move, sir! :)

If you can actually convince everyone in the Mystic echo to do this and/or
the Mystic installer will do this... that could be a "checkmate".

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

I just renamed mystic.exe to cowbell.exe! Your move, sir! :)

If you can actually convince everyone in the Mystic echo to do this
and/or the Mystic installer will do this... that could be a
"checkmate".

Hah I could make it an install option!

install auto c:\mystic -cowbell

LOL

... As I said before, I never repeat myself
--- Cowbell BBS v1.12 A47 2021/11/22 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)

Hello Ward!

12 Nov 2021 22:27, Ward Dossche wrote to Andy Gorman:

I am working on setting up my Telegard system as a point off my
Renegade setup. Is there anything special I have to do in the D'Bridge
host to set it up as a point? I was going through the docs and didn't
see much.

I got this message twice ...

i have 5 copys of that msg

PATH: 387/28 396/45 280/464 292/854
PATH: 387/28 396/45 261/38 640/1321 1384 633/280 229/426 292/854

Crappy version of Renegade?

its dos :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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