• Transgenic

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Mar 28 10:05:00 2025
    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but
    it's just that there's such a thing as too much
    bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of
    transgender animal surgeries for example.

    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.

    August is correct. Trump claimed they were transgender, but they are transgenic. The latter means that they spliced in some human genetics so
    they could better test things meant for humans on the mice. Has nothing to
    do with changing their sex or sexual preferences.

    Mike

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Fri Mar 28 12:47:05 2025
    August is correct. Trump claimed they were transgender, but they are transgenic. The latter means that they spliced in some human genetics so they could better test things meant for humans on the mice. Has nothing to do with changing their sex or sexual preferences.

    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be trusted with science anymore.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Mar 29 07:58:00 2025
    August is correct. Trump claimed they were transgender, but they are transgenic. The latter means that they spliced in some human genetics so
    they could better test things meant for humans on the mice. Has nothing to do with changing their sex or sexual preferences.

    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be trusted with science anymore.

    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science, who
    would you suggest we do trust with it?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sat Mar 29 08:02:09 2025
    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be tr with science anymore.

    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science, who would you suggest we do trust with it?

    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it comes to statistics.

    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to me. The same goes for Fauci's beagle pup massacre.

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  • From Jim Howarth@1:229/300 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Mar 29 10:45:41 2025
    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to me.

    So what you are saying is you don't think it is useful to have a mouse that is compatible with many different tissue types for medical research. Whats your degree in?


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Mar 29 10:56:51 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I understand, but it still sounds like a waste. The left is not to be trusted with science anymore.

    Maybe if the right could understand the difference between similar
    words, they could.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 08:36:00 2025
    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science, who would you suggest we do trust with it?

    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it comes to
    statistics.

    If these far right scientists are anything like Trump's far right
    appointees, they will all be "yes men" and we won't learn anything of significance... except how unqualified our "scientists" are.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Jim Howarth on Sun Mar 30 13:20:29 2025
    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to me

    So what you are saying is you don't think it is useful to have a mouse that is compatible with many different tissue types for medical
    research. Whats your degree in?

    Having mice to use as a model is useful, but gene modification isn't. Refer to the adverse effects of the experimental covid "vaccine."

    Enough research has already been done to keep humans healthy and alive for 100 years of age or more. We don't need to start modifying genes now. It's proven to be an unhealthy failure in wake of the covid-19 experiment.

    No matter what our degrees are in, if we're paying taxes in America then we have a say in how the money should be spent. My suggestion is let God do his job.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sun Mar 30 14:57:42 2025
    Seeing as how the far right doesn't even seem to believe in science would you suggest we do trust with it?

    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it co >to
    statistics.

    If these far right scientists are anything like Trump's far right appointees, they will all be "yes men" and we won't learn anything of significance... except how unqualified our "scientists" are.

    Politicians and the media will always politicize science. It's difficult for me to trust anyone's science but my own. Whoever designed traffic safety seems to be a good scientist because it works. I'll adhere to traffic safety science.

    But whoever decided to mutate viruses is iffy, and whoever decided to label cell mutation therapy as "a vaccine" is iffy too. I need to "be my own scientist" in those areas by watching how it affects people who "trust the other guys to be scientists."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 17:30:00 2025
    But gene splicing/transgenics doesn't sound like useful science to m

    So what you are saying is you don't think it is useful to have a mouse that is compatible with many different tissue types for medical research. Whats your degree in?

    Having mice to use as a model is useful, but gene modification isn't. Refer to
    the adverse effects of the experimental covid "vaccine."

    Enough research has already been done to keep humans healthy and alive for 100
    years of age or more. We don't need to start modifying genes now. It's proven to be an unhealthy failure in wake of the covid-19 experiment.

    They are not researching how to modify *OUR* genes, they are modifying the mouse genes so that they are more like ours so they can then do testing on them.

    No matter what our degrees are in, if we're paying taxes in America then we have a say in how the money should be spent. My suggestion is let God do his job.

    If we had sat on our hands and let God do his job, we'd not have had
    several decades without measles outbreaks, smallpox outbreaks, or polio outbreaks. We'd also all be dying a whole lot younger than we
    do now. All of that was brought to us by people using their God-given
    brains and talents to "do science."

    Thanks to the folks who just want to let "God do his job," we
    now have measles back. "God helps those who help themselves" -- if you just
    sit back and think he will take care of it all, you are in for a surprise.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 31 04:29:04 2025
    Enough research has already been done to keep humans healthy and alive f 100
    years of age or more. We don't need to start modifying genes now. It's p to be an unhealthy failure in wake of the covid-19 experiment.

    They are not researching how to modify *OUR* genes, they are modifying
    the mouse genes so that they are more like ours so they can then do testing on them.

    Human and mouse genes are already 85% identical. How much closer do we want to get it? And how much should that cost?

    If we had sat on our hands and let God do his job, we'd not have had several decades without measles outbreaks, smallpox outbreaks, or polio outbreaks. We'd also all be dying a whole lot younger than we
    do now. All of that was brought to us by people using their God-given brains and talents to "do science."

    I'm skeptical about where those viruses came from in the first place. We've got secretive biolabs mutating viruses, and we've got bureaucrats funding them.

    Is there a vaccine for that? lol

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 31 09:27:00 2025
    If we had sat on our hands and let God do his job, we'd not have had several decades without measles outbreaks, smallpox outbreaks, or polio outbreaks. We'd also all be dying a whole lot younger than we
    do now. All of that was brought to us by people using their God-given brains and talents to "do science."

    I'm skeptical about where those viruses came from in the first place. We've
    o
    secretive biolabs mutating viruses, and we've got bureaucrats funding them.

    I do question some of the "secret" work these labs do, but some of the work made public is necessary.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 1 01:52:00 2025
    We need to be our own scientists whenever possible, especially when it comes
    >>statistics.

    If these far right scientists are anything like Trump's far right
    >appointees, they will all be "yes men" and we won't learn anything of
    >significance... except how unqualified our "scientists" are.

    That's been a big problem with a lot of things. Toe the party line!

    Like the worry inching towards panic to do with global warming, and
    any scientists who do not say exactly what the gov't wants them to say
    will lose their funding and be blocked.

    We have a tiny, if any, affect on global warming. It's happened many
    times in the past and the world has spent a lot more time without
    polar ice caps than with them. The last one brought about stories
    like Noah's Ark. About 4500 years ago the temperatures warmed up and
    the ice caps melted and flooded much of the Coastal areas, where
    a lot of people lived and their 'god' was punishing them for some
    reason. Then, 3000 years later, things cooled down again and crops
    that the Romans planted in England (like grapes for wine) would no
    longer grow in most areas because it was now too cold.

    An interesting book on that, both a good story about eco-terrorists
    but also with a lot of scientific information about global warming
    (backed up with the source scientific papers listed) is called
    State of Fear by Michael Crichton.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 1 01:51:00 2025
    Thanks to the folks who just want to let "God do his job," we
    >now have measles back. "God helps those who help themselves" -- if you just
    >sit back and think he will take care of it all, you are in for a surprise.

    A line I always liked was, 'God answers all our prayers, but sometimes
    the answer is no..' B)

    But as you suggested, back in the distant past it was rare for a person
    to live to be 35.. and that number has dramatically grown over the years because we started taking science and medicine into our own hands.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sat Apr 5 09:30:00 2025
    Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
    set that up. Not too long ago they were talking about a water
    genertor plant (Hydro Electricity?) in Ontario that has been in
    service so long that they have to convert the 25 cycle power to
    60 cycle. We got rid of 25 cycle power in the mid 1950's.

    I'm sure that one has paid for itself. B)

    Once upon a time, didn't Canada actually reroute, or reverse, the flow of
    some of their rivers in order to build more hydro plants?

    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

    The city I grew up in had a huge hydro plan at the falls on the river. I toured it as a Cub Scout. ;) It made a big impression. The Canadian references to "hydro" may seem more logical to me than others.

    Mike

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 5 18:28:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Saturday 05.04.25 - 02:10, Rob Mccart wrote to GRANT WEASNER:

    There area some things about that, like solar panels and
    wind generators are not nearly as efficient as they claim
    they are. My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
    they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
    handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.
    Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

    But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the
    available power.


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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 05:43:00 2025
    Hello Aaron!

    ** On Saturday 05.04.25 - 20:27, Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart:

    There's something weird going on here in the states, at
    least in my state. I have a friend who literally has no
    furnace in his house, he's got mobile home with a wood
    stove, and he got a $600 electric bill.

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been
    colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that
    doesn't make any sense.


    Mobile homes are not normally winterized or insulated very
    well. And.. maybe he simply left the heat up high when need to
    go somewhere?


    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're
    all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and
    the second problem is: What are they planning to do with
    all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
    to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
    need to be managed.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 6 08:10:34 2025
    August Abolins wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    ** On Saturday 05.04.25 - 02:10, Rob Mccart wrote to GRANT WEASNER:

    There area some things about that, like solar panels and
    wind generators are not nearly as efficient as they claim
    they are. My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
    they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
    handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.
    Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

    But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the
    available power.

    I think Rob's sister's issue is with oversold Solar performance claims
    by a sleazy solar salesperson, not a problem with solar. Home solar
    salespeople are some of the worst around here.

    I work in renewable energy, you're exactly right about hybrid systems
    combining battery, solar and intelligent power direction. One of our
    products combines the two with a back-end that figures what to do with
    power based on time of day, historical weather, power tariffs and usage history. You can either run off solar, charge your batteries or sell
    power back based on which is more cost effective at the time.

    The abundance of similar systems makes politicians saying "what happens
    when it's dark?" sound like idiots pandering to idiots. Or someone on
    the dole from "clean coal".



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 6 09:31:07 2025
    He called the electric company and they said "It's been
    colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that
    doesn't make any sense.

    Mobile homes are not normally winterized or insulated very
    well. And.. maybe he simply left the heat up high when need to
    go somewhere?

    No, this guy uses just a wood stove to heat his home. It doesn't use any electric.

    the second problem is: What are they planning to do with
    all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
    to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
    need to be managed.

    Yea, but all that stuff doesn't happen all at once. My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average, and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on you, but I'm just wondering if it's just a regional problem?

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 20:48:00 2025
    Hello Aaron!

    [...] My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average,
    and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify
    it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on
    you, but I'm just wondering if it's just a regional
    problem?

    What are your neighbors experiencing? Maybe someone is reading
    your meter incorrectly, or it's faulty.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Apr 7 02:23:00 2025
    RM >> Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
    >> set that up.

    Once upon a time, didn't Canada actually reroute, or reverse, the flow of
    >some of their rivers in order to build more hydro plants?

    Yes, I'm sure in most locations they have to stop the river from
    flowing some way while they install the turbines, and in some areas
    you end up with small towns under water by the time they sort it all out.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Mon Apr 7 02:07:00 2025
    My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
    they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
    handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.
    >Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

    But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the
    >available power.

    Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro and
    all the power they made was measured and fed back into the grid
    and they were paid for that power while still being billed like
    normal for the power coming into the house.

    It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
    were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
    for the electricity they bought. But as I said it didn't work out
    too well for them.. and the later contracts that Hydro set up like
    that paid less than half per KWH what my sister was being paid.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 8 01:30:00 2025
    Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
    to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
    need to be managed.

    Yea, but all that stuff doesn't happen all at once. My bill went from $70 on
    >rage to $300 on average, and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to jus
    >y it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on you, but I'm jus
    >ondering if it's just a regional problem?

    If this is recent I wonder if the Tariff wars has anything to do with
    it since the Premier of Ontario is threatening to put big tariffs on electricity Canada sells to millions of people in the USA, or possibly
    cancel selling it altogether? I doubt you'd be buying from us unless
    one of two conditions applied.. Either it is cheaper to buy from us
    than to generate your own power or the company there just doesn't have
    the capacity to keep up with needs. Price increases, if related to
    that, might be for what they figure will be big future expense to
    build a new power plant to replace that.

    Something interesting that came up on today's news.. I'd mentioned
    at one point that Canada sells oil to the USA at 20% below world
    market prices (and if you eliminate oil from the trade numbers you
    actually have a trade Surplus with Canada, not the deficit that
    Trump keeps mentioning).. Anyways, the new thing was that we sell
    liquid natural gas to the USA for $4 per unit (BTU). It's handy
    to sell to you because you are close and have been reliable, but
    apparently in Europe they pay $15 per unit for that, so shipping
    is a bit of a job but it would be another big market with huge
    profits over what we sell it for now, plus it would help keep
    Europe from suffering as much with trying to stop buying it from
    their past supplier, Russia..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue Apr 8 01:28:00 2025
    [...] My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average,
    and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify it.

    What are your neighbors experiencing? Maybe someone is reading
    >your meter incorrectly, or it's faulty.

    I suppose that's possible.. We have Smart meters here so no one
    has to come and read them, but the odd one has come up with some
    truly bizarre readings and had to be replaced..

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 8 17:28:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro
    and all the power they made was measured and fed back into
    the grid and they were paid for that power while still
    being billed like normal for the power coming into the
    house.

    Ah.. so no batteries.


    It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
    were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
    for the electricity they bought. But as I said it didn't work out
    too well for them.. and the later contracts that Hydro set up like
    that paid less than half per KWH what my sister was being paid.

    Is the contract still in play?

    I know someone who has such a set up too. During the summer,
    the results are very good! But.. in the winter the returns are
    poor - primarily because they don't clean the snow off the
    panels!

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 9 07:53:29 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Yes, I'm sure in most locations they have to stop the river from
    flowing some way while they install the turbines,

    They spend the first part of the construction routing the river around the dam.

    and in some areas
    you end up with small towns under water by the time they sort it all
    out.

    It's happened many, many times. But they know what towns will be impacted ahead of time.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Thu Apr 10 00:50:00 2025
    Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro
    and all the power they made was measured and fed back into
    the grid and they were paid for that power

    Ah.. so no batteries.

    Yes.. I have a friend with a smaller but similar system at his
    cottage with no contract with the power company, actually he has
    his system because he couldn't get access to the grid where his
    place was located without paying to have underwater lines run to
    his place at a cost of about $25,000. He could have easly afforded
    it but he decided to go off grid out of spite.. B)

    It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
    were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
    for the electricity they bought.

    Is the contract still in play?

    Yes, it was set up for (?) maybe 15 years? Hydro was paying them
    more than 80 cents a KWH, but after a couple of years offering
    that amount they dropped the payment to new contrats to around
    30 cents/KWH. Since my sister feels she is losing money at her
    rate the new people may be in for a rude awakening.

    I know someone who has such a set up too. During the summer,
    >the results are very good! But.. in the winter the returns are
    >poor - primarily because they don't clean the snow off the
    >panels!

    She talks about how much her husband complains about cleaning off
    the panels in winter so it sounds like they are trying to stay
    on top of that. She's near Peterborough though so she's getting
    weather that's similar to what you and I get.
    (Her power is still out from that ice storm 10 days ago.)

    Ha.. speaking of, I'm starting to think a lot of our recent bad
    weather is my fault. I had a dental appoitnment (50 mile round trip)
    last week, and that day we got 4 inches of snow followed by freezing
    rain I had to drive through.. Then this week I had a follow up visit
    and the evening/night before we got about 10 inches of new snow here.
    I worried I'd be unable to get there and be charged a fee for the
    cancellation since the plow that does this road didn't show up but
    I decided to give it a shot and managed to slip and slide my way
    out the 1/2 mile to where the city plow comes in to, but it was
    fun, trying to keep my speed up dangerously high so I didn't get
    bogged down on hills and curves in all that snow, but I did make it.
    Makes me wish at times I'd gotten a car with 4WD though.. B)

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