• Re: I watched the 'talk'

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Thu Apr 3 09:01:56 2025
    >g a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    Ha.. you are describing my life.. I'm still on the electric grid but
    I live in the woods in a very primitive way. I don't have running
    water in winter and only cold running water in summer. An outhouse.

    I mentioned how we have more than 1 floor, but I told my wife "we can sleep downstairs in the winter to stay warm." I'm serious about it, but she has this "let's just pay the bill" attitude.

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    My electric bills hit over $500 this winter, but I get a bit of a rebate so I think the highest was $425 or so..

    That's outrageous. When I first moved into this house I was seeing like $150 in the winter and about $70 in the summer. Now it's around $300 every month, no matter how much gas or electric we use (it's all on 1 bill.)

    I'm ready to put my foot down (and up the electric company's butt!)

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  • From Grant Weasner@1:138/397 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Apr 3 17:32:03 2025
    Re: Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: Aaron Thomas to Rob Mccart on Thu Apr 03 2025 09:01:56

    >g a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    Ha.. you are describing my life.. I'm still on the electric grid but
    I live in the woods in a very primitive way. I don't have running
    water in winter and only cold running water in summer. An outhouse.

    I mentioned how we have more than 1 floor, but I told my wife "we can sleep downstairs in the winter to stay warm." I'm serious
    about it, but she has this "let's just pay the bill" attitude.

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    My electric bills hit over $500 this winter, but I get a bit of a rebate so I think the highest was $425 or so..

    That's outrageous. When I first moved into this house I was seeing like $150 in the winter and about $70 in the summer. Now it's
    around $300 every month, no matter how much gas or electric we use (it's all on 1 bill.)

    My heating bills are above $300, last month was $400. I get no rebates. My food bills are about $1000 per month.

    The state I live in wants more eletric vehicals, and every time we go over a specific threshold of electricity use we get bumped up into a higher use charge bracket. Now if we have to charge vehicals too, this starts to just drain us.

    Sometimes they want us to not use electricity for the day as a challenge and if we do well during the challege we got back $18 in 4 months. In the middle of winter where we are doing what we can to keep our pipes from freezing while simultanously not endulging in decadence without our jackets on in the house.

    I'm ready to put my foot down (and up the electric company's butt!)

    I think we are approaching the time when all we can do is go without or pay the bills.

    The thing I don't understand is why does electricity coast so much. I think after the systems are in place, which they've been there for years where I live, they don't require more money to produce the electricity, specifically hydro? Water falling out of the sky doesn't suddenly coast more each year, but somehow electricity does.
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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 4 07:52:13 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    And it's time for another quote:

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 4 07:52:13 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Ouch.. Yes, some common sense (the least common of all senses?) goes
    a long way. The vaccines boost your immune system but don't make you totally immune to getting a disease, although if you do get it you
    often get a milder and shorter case of it..

    That's been debunked. There is absolutely no scientific evidence for that.

    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    bad for you,

    That's because the COVID jab is bad for you.

    It used to be that "vaccines" did nothing but give you a warm fuzzy. But now they are made in such a way that they introduce contaminates (like aluminum) into your body that they are bad for you. We have evidence of that now.

    And we have a big lawsuit going on now because a school and clinic gave a child (who was completly unvaccinated) all his childhood "vaccines" at once and within a couple weeks developed severe autism - even though the child had not exhibited any signs before.

    but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming back.

    But neither of those have anything to do with vaccines.

    Take polio as an example. It was caused by the heavy metal pesticides being used in farming. As the use went up, polio went up. As their use went down polio disappeared. The polio "vaccine" wasn't introduced until cases were already coming down and did not impact polio's decline one bit.

    But this is part of the problem: Our medical 'experts' are so sure that viruses cause illness that they don't look for anything else.

    On the news tonight they mentioned one small district that
    had checked the schools to make sure the kids all had the required
    vaccine shots, and they ended up telling over 1600 kids to go home
    and not come back until their shots were up to date.

    Hopefully the kids don't come back to "school".


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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 4 18:55:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Thursday 03.04.25 - 01:45, Rob Mccart wrote to AARON THOMAS:

    I have a friend I've known since high school and he brings
    people he knows up to visitme so he can show me off like a
    museum exhibit, the drop out from society who has survived
    as such for nearly 40 years.

    You should charge admission. :D




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Apr 4 16:44:05 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    But consider this: Covid-19 isn't "nature's way." Whether or not the strains floating around today are waning in potency is irrelevant. Covid-19 is almost certainly a man-made virus, and man-made or not,
    there are other man-made SARS viruses that are currently in development with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with
    regards to gender!



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Apr 4 16:44:05 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    Modern isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'm trying to convince my wife that we need to disconnect ourselves (literally) from the electric
    company and start using a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot
    less electric.)

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    It's gotten so bad where I am that our utility company raised rates
    after being found the negligent cause of several large, fatal brush
    fires. Raised rates several times to pay for repairs, after doing
    massive stock buybacks. Went bankrupt during the Enron scandal because
    of horrendous contracts. Transferred BILLIONS of dollars to their
    parent company before doing so. Recently proposed the 6th increase in 2
    years to "more adequately compensate their shareholders". (paraphrasing
    their words)

    They don't even care about appearances any more.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Apr 4 20:01:57 2025
    But consider this: Covid-19 isn't "nature's way." Whether or not the strains floating around today are waning in potency is irrelevant. Covid-19 is almost certainly a man-made virus, and man-made or not, there are other man-made SARS viruses that are currently in developme with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with regards to gender!

    I don't get it - but it sound funny ;)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Apr 5 01:32:00 2025
    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    >> says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    Most certainly so with some people.

    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on
    >social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth. I
    >think that is much more a result of what you've pointed out vs. actual
    >reality. ;)

    Yes, often the craziest pod people get the most viewers. It's just
    unfortunate when people actually believe what they say..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Apr 5 01:34:00 2025
    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    >> bad for you, but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming
    >> back. On the news tonight they mentioned one small district that
    >> had checked the schools to make sure the kids all had the required
    >> vaccine shots, and they ended up telling over 1600 kids to go home
    >> and not come back until their shots were up to date.

    Was that here in the states or there?

    That was in Canada not too far from Toronto, but a different school
    district. We've started getting measles coming back up here and
    it's got a lot of people starting to pay closer attention.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Apr 5 01:54:00 2025
    a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    Ha.. you are describing my life.. I'm still on the electric grid but
    I live in the woods in a very primitive way. I don't have running
    water in winter and only cold running water in summer. An outhouse.

    I mentioned how we have more than 1 floor, but I told my wife "we can sleep d
    >stairs in the winter to stay warm." I'm serious about it, but she has this "l
    >s just pay the bill" attitude.

    I suppose there are limits in both directions, trying to save too much
    or ignoring the cost and going for comfort/convenience. The best place
    is probably in the middle somewhere.

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    My electric bills hit over $500 this winter, but I get a bit of a rebate
    so I think the highest was $425 or so..

    That's outrageous. When I first moved into this house I was seeing like $150
    >the winter and about $70 in the summer. Now it's around $300 every month, no
    >ter how much gas or electric we use (it's all on 1 bill.)

    I'm ready to put my foot down (and up the electric company's butt!)

    My bill for March was about $260, so down quite a bit. When I'm here
    alone I use less than $90 in summer with no heating to do.
    But my sister and my niece and her family are up quite a bit in
    summer (2 other cottages) and that can get the bills going up again
    too, especially early and late in the season when you need some heat
    in the early morning or overnight.

    I recall one fall, cold but still well below freezing, my niece's
    husband came up with 3 friends. I checked the meter before and
    after they came and they'd used $45 worth extra in just 2 days
    not too worried about wasting it since they weren't paying for it..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to GRANT WEASNER on Sat Apr 5 02:10:00 2025
    The thing I don't understand is why does electricity coast so much. I think a
    >r the systems are in place, which they've been there for years where I live,
    >y don't require more money to produce the electricity, specifically hydro? Wa
    > falling out of the sky doesn't suddenly coast more each year, but somehow el
    >ricity does.

    There are some things about that, like solar panels and wind generators
    are not nearly as efficient as they claim they are. My sister bought
    a bunch of solar panels and they don't make near the power claimed, not
    near enough to handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    A lot of countries built huge numbers of wind turbines and are now
    just waiting for them to wear out so they can get rid of them.
    One area mentioned installing enough to supply 25% of their power
    but found, in reality, they only got about 6% out of them.

    Nuclear is highly efficient but has very expensive waste product
    problems and it's horrendously expensive to build plants.

    Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
    set that up. Not too long ago they were talking about a water
    genertor plant (Hydro Electricity?) in Ontario that has been in
    service so long that they have to convert the 25 cycle power to
    60 cycle. We got rid of 25 cycle power in the mid 1950's.

    I'm sure that one has paid for itself. B)

    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sat Apr 5 08:54:00 2025
    Most certainly so with some people.

    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on
    >social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth. I
    >think that is much more a result of what you've pointed out vs. actual
    >reality. ;)

    Yes, often the craziest pod people get the most viewers. It's just unfortunate when people actually believe what they say..

    Yes, and continuously cite them as proof of their point.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sat Apr 5 09:30:00 2025
    Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
    set that up. Not too long ago they were talking about a water
    genertor plant (Hydro Electricity?) in Ontario that has been in
    service so long that they have to convert the 25 cycle power to
    60 cycle. We got rid of 25 cycle power in the mid 1950's.

    I'm sure that one has paid for itself. B)

    Once upon a time, didn't Canada actually reroute, or reverse, the flow of
    some of their rivers in order to build more hydro plants?

    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

    The city I grew up in had a huge hydro plan at the falls on the river. I toured it as a Cub Scout. ;) It made a big impression. The Canadian references to "hydro" may seem more logical to me than others.

    Mike

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Apr 5 09:41:12 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with regards to gender!

    Maga idiots in Washington confused Transgenic with Transgender and
    thought that government funds were being spent on gender-affirming
    surgeries on mice. Embarrassing lack of intelligence on display.



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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 5 10:19:32 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to GRANT WEASNER <=-

    There are some things about that, like solar panels and wind generators are not nearly as efficient as they claim they are. My sister bought
    a bunch of solar panels and they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I see this a lot. And here in Michigan, it's even worse since it's overcast much of the time **and** if you don't brush the snow off them, they produce nothing.

    A lot of countries built huge numbers of wind turbines and are now
    just waiting for them to wear out so they can get rid of them.
    One area mentioned installing enough to supply 25% of their power
    but found, in reality, they only got about 6% out of them.

    My previous company got some sort of grant to put small wind turbines on the roof of their headquarters. We were in the building accross the street so we could see them and they were almost never spinning.

    Nuclear is highly efficient but has very expensive waste product
    problems and it's horrendously expensive to build plants.

    The newer nuclear technology doesn't have nearly as big a waste problem. And the expense is mostly due to gov't regulation (usually useless regulation).

    genertor plant (Hydro Electricity?) in Ontario that has been in
    service so long that they have to convert the 25 cycle power to
    60 cycle. We got rid of 25 cycle power in the mid 1950's.

    Near me, we have a special "gravity" generator that's used to "jump start" the grid.

    So power plants need **some** power to start. How do you power a power plant? Well, that's what this special generator is for. It's built on a bluff above Lake Michigan. It's effectively a big lake and some turbines. It generates electricity the same way a hydroelectric dam does just in a somewhat artificial way.

    So when the power goes out completely, and they are ready to start things up, they open the gates, let the water run down to the lake and generate the power needed to let the power plants start up.


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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 5 18:28:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Saturday 05.04.25 - 02:10, Rob Mccart wrote to GRANT WEASNER:

    There area some things about that, like solar panels and
    wind generators are not nearly as efficient as they claim
    they are. My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
    they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
    handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.
    Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

    But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the
    available power.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 5 20:27:50 2025
    My bill for March was about $260, so down quite a bit. When I'm here
    alone I use less than $90 in summer with no heating to do.
    But my sister and my niece and her family are up quite a bit in
    summer (2 other cottages) and that can get the bills going up again
    too, especially early and late in the season when you need some heat
    in the early morning or overnight.

    There's something weird going on here in the states, at least in my state. I have a friend who literally has no furnace in his house, he's got mobile home with a wood stove, and he got a $600 electric bill.

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that doesn't make any sense.

    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and the second problem is: What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealing from us?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Apr 5 20:31:43 2025
    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with regards to gender!

    Maga idiots in Washington confused Transgenic with Transgender and
    thought that government funds were being spent on gender-affirming surgeries on mice. Embarrassing lack of intelligence on display.

    That's how I interpreted the news also, but I understand the correction.

    But I'm still in favor of stopping the funding for it. Scientists can play God on their own money. We can't even afford electricity, so it's time for scientists to try learning how to bring electric down and to give all that virus mutation stuff a rest.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 05:43:00 2025
    Hello Aaron!

    ** On Saturday 05.04.25 - 20:27, Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart:

    There's something weird going on here in the states, at
    least in my state. I have a friend who literally has no
    furnace in his house, he's got mobile home with a wood
    stove, and he got a $600 electric bill.

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been
    colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that
    doesn't make any sense.


    Mobile homes are not normally winterized or insulated very
    well. And.. maybe he simply left the heat up high when need to
    go somewhere?


    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're
    all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and
    the second problem is: What are they planning to do with
    all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
    to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
    need to be managed.

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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 06:44:18 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been colder than
    normal this winter.." but obviously that doesn't make any sense.

    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and the second problem is:
    What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Based on past shenanigans, probably build more useless windmills and solar "farms" - and cutting down large swaths of virgin forest.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 6 01:03:00 2025
    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    And it's time for another quote:

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that
    >contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell

    I think that's sort of a universal problem.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 6 01:50:00 2025
    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    bad for you,

    That's because the COVID jab is bad for you.

    There's been so much misinformation floating around I've pretty much
    stopped listening to anyone. I just go by personal experience, watching
    what's happened to people in my own family and friends..

    It used to be that "vaccines" did nothing but give you a warm fuzzy. But now
    >they are made in such a way that they introduce contaminates (like aluminum)
    >into your body that they are bad for you. We have evidence of that now.

    Yes, since the 1930's and the part of aluminum they use does no harm.
    I saw online the complaints about the negative affects of aluminum
    and the fact checking services saying that is unfounded.

    And we have a big lawsuit going on now because a school and clinic gave a chi
    >(who was completly unvaccinated) all his childhood "vaccines" at once and
    >within a couple weeks developed severe autism - even though the child had not
    >exhibited any signs before.

    Speaking of things that are totally unproven. Studies were done following
    1.2 million children getting vaccines and the instances of autism were
    exactly the same is in unvaccinated children.

    You'll see lawsuits tried since, 1 - Everyone likes a free payday.
    and 2 - No one wants to believe it's their own genes causing a
    problem with their children if they can latch onto something
    else to blame it on, real or not.

    but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming back.

    But neither of those have anything to do with vaccines.

    Take polio as an example. It was caused by the heavy metal pesticides
    being used in farming.

    As the use went up, polio went up. As their use went down
    >polio disappeared.

    And it is suddenly coming back again now why?

    It is caused by a virus that attacks nerve cells in the spinal cord.
    Why do you think it almost vanished from most of the world until
    more countries stopped giving Polio vaccine shots?

    But this is part of the problem: Our medical 'experts' are so sure
    >that viruses cause illness that they don't look for anything else.

    Viruses can be seen and studied and identified so they know exactly
    which virus give you which disease. If anti-virus shots didn't work
    there's no way governments would pay for them, and don't try to tell
    me that pharma-companies have enough bribe money to get goverments all
    over the world spend many $Billions to buy something that does nothing.

    Not everything that goes wrong with us is casued by a virus, but
    it's something that they can verify when that's what it is.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 6 08:10:34 2025
    August Abolins wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    ** On Saturday 05.04.25 - 02:10, Rob Mccart wrote to GRANT WEASNER:

    There area some things about that, like solar panels and
    wind generators are not nearly as efficient as they claim
    they are. My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
    they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
    handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.
    Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

    But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the
    available power.

    I think Rob's sister's issue is with oversold Solar performance claims
    by a sleazy solar salesperson, not a problem with solar. Home solar
    salespeople are some of the worst around here.

    I work in renewable energy, you're exactly right about hybrid systems
    combining battery, solar and intelligent power direction. One of our
    products combines the two with a back-end that figures what to do with
    power based on time of day, historical weather, power tariffs and usage history. You can either run off solar, charge your batteries or sell
    power back based on which is more cost effective at the time.

    The abundance of similar systems makes politicians saying "what happens
    when it's dark?" sound like idiots pandering to idiots. Or someone on
    the dole from "clean coal".



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 08:10:34 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and the second problem is:
    What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Stock buybacks and shareholder dividends, obviously. Then, cause a loss
    of life due to deferred maintenance and raise rates to pay for the
    lawsuits and maintenance. And to pay for a non-stop media PR campaign
    about how much a part of your neighborhood the local utility is.

    Or, transfer all of the profits to the parent corporation then declare bankrupcy to discharge debt.

    I don't know how PG&E executives sleep at night.




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Sun Apr 6 08:10:35 2025
    Dr. What wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    Our local utility just requested a rate increase to be able to pay
    shareholders dividends on par with other utilities.

    WHO WILL THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS????



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun Apr 6 10:15:00 2025
    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts
    hat
    contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas
    owell

    I think that's sort of a universal problem.. B)

    Yes, it most certainly is. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 6 09:31:07 2025
    He called the electric company and they said "It's been
    colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that
    doesn't make any sense.

    Mobile homes are not normally winterized or insulated very
    well. And.. maybe he simply left the heat up high when need to
    go somewhere?

    No, this guy uses just a wood stove to heat his home. It doesn't use any electric.

    the second problem is: What are they planning to do with
    all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
    to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
    need to be managed.

    Yea, but all that stuff doesn't happen all at once. My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average, and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on you, but I'm just wondering if it's just a regional problem?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Dr. What on Sun Apr 6 09:35:26 2025
    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    I have a suspicion that it's got something to do with the cuts that DOGE is making. Somebody isn't getting our money delivered to them the way that it used to, so they're taking it from us in a different way. Probably the WEF.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Apr 6 10:03:31 2025
    What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealin from us?

    Stock buybacks and shareholder dividends, obviously. Then, cause a loss
    of life due to deferred maintenance and raise rates to pay for the lawsuits and maintenance. And to pay for a non-stop media PR campaign about how much a part of your neighborhood the local utility is.

    I'm glad that you don't trust these slimeballs either.

    I'm hoping that somebody can put the evidence together to sue them. The problem is that average people (me at least) don't understand the technical
    jargon about electric, or how there could be any logical excuse for the bill being doubled (actually tripled now.) Someone who knows the industry could probably solve this puzzle.

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 20:48:00 2025
    Hello Aaron!

    [...] My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average,
    and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify
    it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on
    you, but I'm just wondering if it's just a regional
    problem?

    What are your neighbors experiencing? Maybe someone is reading
    your meter incorrectly, or it's faulty.

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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Mon Apr 7 04:54:15 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that
    >contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell

    I think that's sort of a universal problem.. B)

    It's far more true for the Lefties. Especially the ones who live in their fantasy worlds.


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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Apr 7 04:54:15 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I have a suspicion that it's got something to do with the cuts that
    DOGE is making. Somebody isn't getting our money delivered to them the
    way that it used to, so they're taking it from us in a different way. Probably the WEF.

    I'd say that's a high probability.

    DOGE cuts funds for "green energy" so they take it from us through higher utility rates.

    The Elitists have to get their money somehow. Lord knows that they can't actually **DO** something to earn it.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Apr 7 01:17:00 2025
    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on
    >social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth.

    Yes, often the craziest pod people get the most viewers. It's just
    >> unfortunate when people actually believe what they say..

    Yes, and continuously cite them as proof of their point.

    Yes, I have a relative like that. If it's on the news or from the
    government then it's a lie, you can only trust those pod casters.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Apr 7 02:23:00 2025
    RM >> Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
    >> set that up.

    Once upon a time, didn't Canada actually reroute, or reverse, the flow of
    >some of their rivers in order to build more hydro plants?

    Yes, I'm sure in most locations they have to stop the river from
    flowing some way while they install the turbines, and in some areas
    you end up with small towns under water by the time they sort it all out.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 7 01:52:00 2025
    are not nearly as efficient as they claim they are. My sister bought
    a bunch of solar panels and they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I see this a lot. And here in Michigan, it's even worse since it's overcast
    >much of the time **and** if you don't brush the snow off them, they produce
    >nothing.

    Yes, my sister talks about that all the time, plus the money saved,
    since it's so much less than the original estimate, means that the
    panels will wear out long before they pay for themselves, rather
    than being paid off about half way through their estimated life.

    Nuclear is highly efficient but has very expensive waste product
    problems and it's horrendously expensive to build plants.

    The newer nuclear technology doesn't have nearly as big a waste problem. And
    >the expense is mostly due to gov't regulation (usually useless regulation).

    There is new technology that is so efficient that it can use waste from
    old nuclear power plants to make electricity, but those are a lot more expensive to build. Maybe that's what you're referring to.
    But you still end up with waste that is dangerous for several hundred
    years rather than 25,000 years, but both numbers are a long term problem.

    Another new thing is tidal generators on the ocean shores, but that
    messes up a lot of shoreline. Some areas are super well set up for
    that though like the Bay of Fundy between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
    in Canada. Depending on things the tide from low to high changes by
    between 40 and 53 feet each day, so it's like loading up a waterfall
    every day without having a one way river.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Mon Apr 7 02:07:00 2025
    My sister bought a bunch of solar panels and
    they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to
    handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I suppose they have a system that charges a bank of batteries.
    >Perhaps they can expand the capacity with more batteries?

    But the best strategy would be to adjust how they use the
    >available power.

    Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro and
    all the power they made was measured and fed back into the grid
    and they were paid for that power while still being billed like
    normal for the power coming into the house.

    It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
    were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
    for the electricity they bought. But as I said it didn't work out
    too well for them.. and the later contracts that Hydro set up like
    that paid less than half per KWH what my sister was being paid.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Apr 7 02:14:00 2025
    There's something weird going on here in the states, at least in my state. I
    >e a friend who literally has no furnace in his house, he's got mobile home wi
    >a wood stove, and he got a $600 electric bill.

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been colder than normal th
    >winter.." but obviously that doesn't make any sense.

    No, that sounds ridiculous.. If it's like here it should be easy enough
    to check since our meters keep track of the KWH we use and your bill
    points out how much you pay per KWH, although they confuse us here by
    billing different amounts based on the time of day you used the power.
    Much cheaper overnight than during the working day and mid priced in
    the early morning and evening.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 8 01:30:00 2025
    Maintaining above-ground lines is a constant task. Poles need
    to be replaced, fuses blow, transformers fail, trees and brush
    need to be managed.

    Yea, but all that stuff doesn't happen all at once. My bill went from $70 on
    >rage to $300 on average, and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to jus
    >y it. Is this not happening in your area? I don't wish it on you, but I'm jus
    >ondering if it's just a regional problem?

    If this is recent I wonder if the Tariff wars has anything to do with
    it since the Premier of Ontario is threatening to put big tariffs on electricity Canada sells to millions of people in the USA, or possibly
    cancel selling it altogether? I doubt you'd be buying from us unless
    one of two conditions applied.. Either it is cheaper to buy from us
    than to generate your own power or the company there just doesn't have
    the capacity to keep up with needs. Price increases, if related to
    that, might be for what they figure will be big future expense to
    build a new power plant to replace that.

    Something interesting that came up on today's news.. I'd mentioned
    at one point that Canada sells oil to the USA at 20% below world
    market prices (and if you eliminate oil from the trade numbers you
    actually have a trade Surplus with Canada, not the deficit that
    Trump keeps mentioning).. Anyways, the new thing was that we sell
    liquid natural gas to the USA for $4 per unit (BTU). It's handy
    to sell to you because you are close and have been reliable, but
    apparently in Europe they pay $15 per unit for that, so shipping
    is a bit of a job but it would be another big market with huge
    profits over what we sell it for now, plus it would help keep
    Europe from suffering as much with trying to stop buying it from
    their past supplier, Russia..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 8 01:33:00 2025
    I'm hoping that somebody can put the evidence together to sue them. The probl
    >is that average people (me at least) don't understand the technical
    >jargon about electric, or how there could be any logical excuse for the bill
    >ng doubled (actually tripled now.) Someone who knows the industry could proba
    > solve this puzzle.

    I assume you must pay for power by the KWH? What sort of rates are they
    hitting you with down there?

    Where I am we pay in Peak use hours 15.8 cents/kwh, Mid-Peak is
    at 12.2 cents and Low-Peak is at 7.6 cents. The bill I looked at
    for that information, I used pretty close to the same amount of
    power at the high and mid rates, but the Lowest rate times I used
    well over 3 times as much power, so that helps keep my costs low.
    Lowest cost times are from 7PM to 7AM and on weekends.

    Also, your power companies may be private and once in an area can do
    whatever they want. Here the Gov't more or less regulates the power
    company, and there really is just one. There are minor adjustments
    like the closest town to me has their own electricity billing but
    they get their power from the main grid, although they did build a
    small hydro generation plant on a river in town, but I suspect it's
    another case where the generated power is just sold back to add to
    the main grid, not used locally. I doubt the probably just one
    turbine could make near enough power to run the town, plus it
    likely shuts down in winter due to ice problems.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue Apr 8 01:28:00 2025
    [...] My bill went from $70 on average to $300 on average,
    and now I've got one for $591. There's no way to justify it.

    What are your neighbors experiencing? Maybe someone is reading
    >your meter incorrectly, or it's faulty.

    I suppose that's possible.. We have Smart meters here so no one
    has to come and read them, but the odd one has come up with some
    truly bizarre readings and had to be replaced..

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 8 17:28:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro
    and all the power they made was measured and fed back into
    the grid and they were paid for that power while still
    being billed like normal for the power coming into the
    house.

    Ah.. so no batteries.


    It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
    were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
    for the electricity they bought. But as I said it didn't work out
    too well for them.. and the later contracts that Hydro set up like
    that paid less than half per KWH what my sister was being paid.

    Is the contract still in play?

    I know someone who has such a set up too. During the summer,
    the results are very good! But.. in the winter the returns are
    poor - primarily because they don't clean the snow off the
    panels!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 8 16:55:00 2025
    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    I have a suspicion that it's got something to do with the cuts that DOGE is making. Somebody isn't getting our money delivered to them the way that it
    se
    to, so they're taking it from us in a different way. Probably the WEF.

    You live in Upstate NY, right? Does your power come from Canada, which is currently being affected by tariffs?


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  • From Grant Weasner@1:138/397 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 8 20:43:58 2025
    Re: Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: Rob Mccart to GRANT WEASNER on Sat Apr 05 2025 02:10:00

    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

    The Hydro Bill??? I'm not sure what that is.

    I think we have a fee we have to pay for water runoff. I know where I used to live the city does not allow us to collect water runoff on our property. I'm not sure why that was, but it was one of those strange things where if a person could keep the water from leaving their property they would be exempt from paying the fee, but the law says no its not allowed.

    Is this the type of Bill you are refering too?
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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 9 07:53:29 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yes, my sister talks about that all the time, plus the money saved,
    since it's so much less than the original estimate, means that the
    panels will wear out long before they pay for themselves, rather
    than being paid off about half way through their estimated life.

    Yup. The "savings" from solar are primarily in the gov't subsidies, it seems.

    There is new technology that is so efficient that it can use waste from old nuclear power plants to make electricity, but those are a lot more expensive to build. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

    I don't remember. It's been a while since I really researched that. But I do know that the technology as changed. More expensive? Probably. Cleaner? Yes. Less dangerous? Probably.

    But you still end up with waste that is dangerous for several hundred years rather than 25,000 years, but both numbers are a long term
    problem.

    Well, 1999 has passed. So I guess we can start storing all that stuff on the moon. :) (If you don't get the reference, look up "Space: 1999".)

    Another new thing is tidal generators on the ocean shores, but that
    messes up a lot of shoreline.

    That's the problem with any of these "green" types of energy.

    As Thomas Sowell likes to say: "There are no solutions. Only trade-offs."

    Some areas are super well set up for
    that though like the Bay of Fundy between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
    in Canada. Depending on things the tide from low to high changes by between 40 and 53 feet each day, so it's like loading up a waterfall
    every day without having a one way river.. B)

    Well, ya. There are certain types of energy production that work great - but only in certain locations. Iceland has a great thermo generation system but not everyone gets to live on top of a caldera. And there are certain drawbacks to that as well.


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 9 07:53:29 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Yes, I'm sure in most locations they have to stop the river from
    flowing some way while they install the turbines,

    They spend the first part of the construction routing the river around the dam.

    and in some areas
    you end up with small towns under water by the time they sort it all
    out.

    It's happened many, many times. But they know what towns will be impacted ahead of time.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Thu Apr 10 00:22:00 2025
    The Elitists have to get their money somehow. Lord knows that they can't
    >actually **DO** something to earn it.

    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.
    The US Gov't gets to pocket that and I wonder how much will go back
    to the ordinary people?

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Thu Apr 10 00:50:00 2025
    Actually it was set up with a contract with Ontario Hydro
    and all the power they made was measured and fed back into
    the grid and they were paid for that power

    Ah.. so no batteries.

    Yes.. I have a friend with a smaller but similar system at his
    cottage with no contract with the power company, actually he has
    his system because he couldn't get access to the grid where his
    place was located without paying to have underwater lines run to
    his place at a cost of about $25,000. He could have easly afforded
    it but he decided to go off grid out of spite.. B)

    It seemed like that was going to be super profitable since they
    were being paid per KWH more than 4 times what they had to pay
    for the electricity they bought.

    Is the contract still in play?

    Yes, it was set up for (?) maybe 15 years? Hydro was paying them
    more than 80 cents a KWH, but after a couple of years offering
    that amount they dropped the payment to new contrats to around
    30 cents/KWH. Since my sister feels she is losing money at her
    rate the new people may be in for a rude awakening.

    I know someone who has such a set up too. During the summer,
    >the results are very good! But.. in the winter the returns are
    >poor - primarily because they don't clean the snow off the
    >panels!

    She talks about how much her husband complains about cleaning off
    the panels in winter so it sounds like they are trying to stay
    on top of that. She's near Peterborough though so she's getting
    weather that's similar to what you and I get.
    (Her power is still out from that ice storm 10 days ago.)

    Ha.. speaking of, I'm starting to think a lot of our recent bad
    weather is my fault. I had a dental appoitnment (50 mile round trip)
    last week, and that day we got 4 inches of snow followed by freezing
    rain I had to drive through.. Then this week I had a follow up visit
    and the evening/night before we got about 10 inches of new snow here.
    I worried I'd be unable to get there and be charged a fee for the
    cancellation since the plow that does this road didn't show up but
    I decided to give it a shot and managed to slip and slide my way
    out the 1/2 mile to where the city plow comes in to, but it was
    fun, trying to keep my speed up dangerously high so I didn't get
    bogged down on hills and curves in all that snow, but I did make it.
    Makes me wish at times I'd gotten a car with 4WD though.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to GRANT WEASNER on Thu Apr 10 00:59:00 2025
    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    > > called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    > > (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    > > travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

    The Hydro Bill??? I'm not sure what that is.

    I think we have a fee we have to pay for water runoff. I know where I used to
    >ve the city does not allow us to collect water runoff on our property. I'm no
    >ure why that was, but it was one of those strange things where if a person co
    > keep the water from leaving their property they would be exempt from paying
    > fee, but the law says no its not allowed.

    Is this the type of Bill you are refering too?

    No, we just call our electricity Hydro instead of Power since so much
    of it is generated by hydro electric generators.

    I wonder if your situation with not being allowed to collect water
    on your property has to do with, if someone builds a pond on their
    property and then you get heavy rain, all that stored water could
    break through the banks and make the flooding in the area a lot worse..

    Having a fee in the first place for runoff seems odd. It's not like you
    have a lot of control over how much rain falls..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 10 09:18:00 2025
    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him.

    One of his chief financial advisors is Peter Navarro's imaginary "expert"
    that is cited in Navarro's books.


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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 10 17:22:28 2025
    Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: August Abolins to Aaron Thomas on Thu Mar 27 2025 07:55 pm

    Hello Aaron!

    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but
    it's just that there's such a thing as too much
    bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of
    transgender animal surgeries for example.

    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.

    Yup. Morons.
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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 11 04:10:05 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The Elitists have to get their money somehow. Lord knows that they can't

    >actually **DO** something to earn it.

    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.

    You really need to stop listening to the Propaganda Ministry. Because your statement is untrue.

    Perhaps an actual class in economics would help you.

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

    Yet the Elitists still claim that Trump is in it for himself.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Fri Apr 11 01:34:00 2025
    There is new technology that is so efficient that it can use waste from
    old nuclear power plants to make electricity, but those are a lot more expensive to build. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

    I don't remember. It's been a while since I really researched that. But I d
    >know that the technology as changed. More expensive? Probably. Cleaner?
    >Yes. Less dangerous? Probably.

    Yes, I know it was hard to get countries to build the new plants since
    they cost so much more. I can't even find info on those online at the
    moment. I may have originally heard about one experimental plant and
    it may ahve ended up so costly that it never got off the ground.

    But you still end up with waste that is dangerous for several hundred
    years rather than 25,000 years, but both numbers are a long term
    problem.

    Well, 1999 has passed. So I guess we can start storing all that stuff on the
    >moon. :) (If you don't get the reference, look up "Space: 1999".)

    Ha.. Yes I remember watching that show, although I doubt I'd have come
    up with the name right away..

    As Thomas Sowell likes to say: "There are no solutions. Only trade-offs."

    Yes, sounds about right.. Sounds like marriage too.. B)

    Well, ya. There are certain types of energy production that work great - but
    >only in certain locations.

    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the
    desert where these things might actually be useful..

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 12 14:56:12 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yes, I know it was hard to get countries to build the new plants since they cost so much more.

    Half the reason nuclear power plants cost so much to build is gov't regulation.

    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the desert where these things might actually be useful..

    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.

    Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really cares about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.

    But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panels unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than intended.

    One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Sat Apr 12 14:19:36 2025
    Re: Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: Dr. What to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 12 2025 02:56 pm


    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.

    There's a ton of people (myself included) working in renewable energy actually doing the things and providing power. Right now.

    I'm more of a microgrid kinda guy - I want to see every rooftop, every covered parking lot covered with pv panels, backing up battery systems, with a controller routing power based on needs and grid costs - with the ability to run standalone when needed.

    There's no one "green" promise. To think so would be incredibly reductive.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 13 01:26:00 2025
    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.

    You really need to stop listening to the Propaganda Ministry.
    >Because your statement is untrue.

    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    But, the USA does import about $9 Billion a day and if you take
    his tariff figures, it could actually work out higher than that,
    but I doubt it's quite that high at the moment because he keeps
    going back and forth on the tariffs.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

    Yet the Elitists still claim that Trump is in it for himself.

    Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
    as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
    sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
    from going up..

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sun Apr 13 17:24:43 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
    as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
    sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
    from going up..

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie, etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 14 01:38:00 2025
    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the
    desert where these things might actually be useful..

    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not
    >promises, only dreams.

    Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really care
    >about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.

    But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panel
    >unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than
    >intended.

    One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full
    >picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.

    No free lunch.. As I mentioned earlier, Hydro Electric plants might be
    the greenest way to generate power if you have a good place to build
    the plant without destroying too much land around it to build it.

    There are a lot of places around here where they have huge banks of
    solar panels out in fields with some sort of grain crop. An area like
    that might have enough rain to keep them clean, but then we're back
    to snow in winter this far north at least..

    And, again, in most cases they wear out before they make enough
    money to pay for themselves..

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Mon Apr 14 07:58:00 2025
    Dr. What wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's
    a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
    consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
    effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
    gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
    psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.

    Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
    from Woke Media, hence the slant.

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    I spoke too soon!

    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.

    I forgot "whataboutism".

    As for "elitism", look at Trump and his cabinet. They're worth how many billions and making policies that affect everyday people?

    The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about
    democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
    it was just.

    With republicans, crickets.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 14 10:11:00 2025
    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed on but that is because in socialism the government controls the economy.


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  • From Borax Man@3:770/100 to Mike Powell on Tue Apr 15 10:21:20 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how
    it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the
    *consumer*.

    If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed
    on but that is because in socialism the government controls the
    economy.

    I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.

    IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Tue Apr 15 01:12:00 2025
    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.

    Seems you need a little more TDS there.. And as far as lies go,
    whenever news agencies in the USA fact check Trumps speeches they
    generally find dozens of 'inaccuracies', often financial numbers
    off by hundreds of percent.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
    >difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    No, the suppliers sell at the same price they always have and then
    Trump puts a 25% or so 'tax' on what you pay for it in tariffs as
    it enters your country..

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    Most of that propaganda is coming right from what Trump says in public.
    I'm not saying much of is NOT propaganda, just that it's being put
    out by Trump himself to make it look like his policies are doing less
    damage to your economy than they actually are.

    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
    $Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
    lower the bills of the average person?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BORAX MAN on Tue Apr 15 09:46:00 2025
    I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.

    IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.

    It all boils down to if you don't have the money to afford it you won't buy
    it, so of course one thinks with their own wallet.

    That is part of the reason we are where we are now in the USA. Stuff
    started to cost a lot more so folks thought with their wallet and didn't re-elect the incumbent ticket.

    Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it
    had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
    to do with making more money for the corporations involved. The fact that
    it saved the consumer money was a side-effect.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Tue Apr 15 10:20:00 2025
    With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
    consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
    effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
    gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
    psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.

    Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
    from Woke Media, hence the slant.

    And history books and just about anywhere that talks about tariffs. ;)

    The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
    it was just.

    With republicans, crickets.

    I disagree here. If they are close to the middle of the spectrum, yes. If they are closer to the poles, no, they gripe about it just as much.

    An example as of late has been Signalgate. "Republicans are hypocrites for wanting Hillary to get into trouble but not these guys," but then when you point out that, no, they should have all been in trouble, including
    Hillary, they get mad because they think she didn't do anything wrong and
    that you must be a MAGAt to think that.

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    Same here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 15 10:23:00 2025
    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
    $Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
    lower the bills of the average person?

    Most groceries have not gone down.

    Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
    afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back up.

    Power bill has stayed the same.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Thu Apr 17 01:06:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:14:00 2025
    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
    >> difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost
    >onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in
    >general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
    Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
    Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
    what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
    makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:43:00 2025
    Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it
    >had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
    >to do with making more money for the corporations involved. The fact that
    >it saved the consumer money was a side-effect.

    That's probably more common in recent years. I can't help but think
    back 30 or more years and watching the price of something like a
    Video Recorder or Microwave Oven drop from $600 to $100 because
    they started making them in China. The (early) quality was crap but
    people still bought them to save the money.

    As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
    to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
    compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
    increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
    automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
    create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:55:00 2025
    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    >> since Trump took office..

    Most groceries have not gone down.

    Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
    >afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back
    >up.

    Power bill has stayed the same.

    Fuel is understandable because with the threat of a world wide drop
    in business, and possible recession, the price of oil has dropped.

    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    have to charge more to stay afloat.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    ways to generate more electricity..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:16:00 2025
    As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
    to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
    compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
    increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
    automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
    create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.

    That seems to be the trend. Amazon recently announced a huge expansion
    program to get distribution centers closer to the American consumers. The
    plan for these new centers is that they will be mostly automated and not
    create the quantity of jobs they might once have done.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:19:00 2025
    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    have to charge more to stay afloat.

    In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these
    prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
    wars and likely illegal firings to address this.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    ways to generate more electricity..

    On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba
    (I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
    quantiy of MWs of power to the US, and another to divert some of it to
    Nunavut.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:41:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but
    you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere. A lot
    of these folks (the Clintons, for example) charge/make unbelievable amounts
    for speaking engagements. I cannot remember the numbers but the last time
    I saw them it made me realize you could make a *whole* lot real quick!

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)

    Kurt is a dreamer, as am I. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:42:00 2025
    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
    Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
    Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
    what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
    makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.

    Yeah, and I am pretty certain those selling it are going to pass the fat
    tax along to us.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Rob Mccart on Thu Apr 17 08:18:23 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so
    legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    car and appreciation took care of the rest.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Apr 18 09:59:00 2025
    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    car and appreciation took care of the rest.

    This is a valid point. The house I am in now sold the first time in ~1968 for $16,000. It cost me a lot more to buy it in 2009.... not millions by any stretch, but at least 10x more.

    $16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it is
    not much of an exaggeration.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 19 16:47:02 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    $16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it
    is not much of an exaggeration.

    My parents bought their house in the suburban bay area for $24,000 in
    1969.

    I bought a 2002 Toyota Camry for $25,000.

    They sold their house in 2016 for $1,300,000.

    It's now estimated at $2,100,000.

    Crazy.



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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 20 01:43:00 2025
    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    >> obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    >> change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    >> have to charge more to stay afloat.

    In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these
    >prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
    >wars and likely illegal firings to address this.

    Yes, I'd imagine he's a lot busier than anyone outside of his office
    knows. There seem to be a lot of important people and businesses not at
    all happy with things who must be driving him crazy arguing with him.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    >> electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    >> difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    >> shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    >> prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    >> ways to generate more electricity..

    On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba
    >(I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
    >quantiy of MWs of power to the US, and another to divert some of it to
    >Nunavut.

    Yes, about the only province that wants to just go along with things
    with no retaliation is Alberta, our biggest Oil producer, who don't
    want to do anything to lose business. They also frequently talk about
    becoming their own country and breaking away from Canada so we can't
    expect much support from them if it doesn't directly benefit them.

    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 20 01:52:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    >> it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    >> are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but
    >you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere.

    True, but that means you Usually need a lot of rich friends or family
    to get started since running for a major office is more than a full time
    job so you need enough backing to build up enough support to be able to
    take a real shot at it. A person who couldn't afford to not be working
    and wasn't able to pay to fly back and forth all across the country would
    have a hard time getting enough people aware of them to get financial
    backing to continue on I would think.

    It Could happen if someone were well enough known for some reason
    before they decided to run, although most famous people are rich too.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Sun Apr 20 02:02:00 2025
    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so
    >legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    >their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    >car and appreciation took care of the rest.

    Ha.. yes.. Those of us who were smart enough to buy our houses 50 years
    ago had a big advantage.. B)

    I think every generation has had their problems. I remember when buying
    my first house in 1975 my bank told me I'd need to be making triple
    what I was to get the mortgage.. so I went to a mortgage broker and
    paid a higher interest rate and never missed a payment But I also worked
    either 2 or 3 jobs in those early years and I didn't eat very well the
    last couple of weeks before the quarterly mortgage payment was due, and
    I was driving a 14 year old car.

    But, 10 years later, it was a whole nuther story.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun Apr 20 08:17:00 2025
    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
    so there were a lot of "No Kings" protests.

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

    I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one
    would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
    government was looking for, and others that they were not.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 22 01:50:00 2025
    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    >> all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    >> doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    >> and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day
    >because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
    >so there were a lot of "No Kings" protests.

    Yes.. Kings.. Dictators.. whatever Trump aspires to.. B)

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    >> moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

    I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one
    >would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
    >government was looking for, and others that they were not.

    True.. we seem to always need more healthcare workers due to the
    high use of medical when it usually doesn't cost anything. A lot
    of people take advantage for things where it's not really necessary
    and so the system is almost always crowded. I'm generally pretty
    healthy and I go for years without seeing a doctor, and when I do it's
    usually due to an injury.. But when I am forced to see my doctor she
    always goes nuts and does a full physical and runs every blood test
    known to man just to make sure I'm as healthy as I appear to be.. B)

    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
    whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
    is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
    of them still seem to get in.. 'Refugees' are another story but
    there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 22 08:17:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
    whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
    is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
    of them still seem to get in..

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as "desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    'Refugees' are another story but
    there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 24 01:02:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    >> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    >> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    >> temporarily

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as
    >"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    Was that a skill or a mistake? B)

    Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
    I was more following the comment you made..

    'Refugees' are another story but
    >> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    >people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!

    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri Apr 25 09:33:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    >> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    >> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    >> temporarily

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be a
    >"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    Was that a skill or a mistake? B)

    Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
    I was more following the comment you made..

    No mistake. ;) It appeared at the time that they did want IT people but
    were not looking for COBOL developers, which is strange considering a whole
    lot of them were retiring (or dying off) and many government and financial firms (at least at that time) still used it plenty.

    'Refugees' are another story but
    >> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    >people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!

    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

    "Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen"

    https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr

    I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
    have no home country to "go back" to.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 29 01:09:00 2025
    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    >> of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

    "Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen"

    https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr

    I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
    >have no home country to "go back" to.

    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    was born in the USA who was being deported..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 30 08:04:40 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Fri May 2 00:36:00 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    > > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    > > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    > > was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri May 2 09:09:00 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    > > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    > > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    > > was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

    Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun May 4 01:14:00 2025
    She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    >> I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    >> They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

    Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)

    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    President to come to court for his own cases..

    To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
    been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about
    everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
    him 'and his administration'..

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    all time records for the number of them.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun May 4 08:50:00 2025
    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    President to come to court for his own cases..

    Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.

    To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
    been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
    him 'and his administration'..

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    all time records for the number of them.. B)

    He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are
    "out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
    if he, and his administration, stopped breaking the law.

    The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think
    the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue May 6 01:15:00 2025
    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    >> you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    >> against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    >> lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    >> President to come to court for his own cases..

    Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.

    This is true, at least until the end of his term and then they can
    go back to trying to get him for tax 'issues'.. B)

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    >> and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    >> all time records for the number of them.. B)

    He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are
    >"out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
    >if he, and his administration, stopped breaking the law.

    The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think
    >the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)

    I think you may have a point there.. B)

    The thing about new tariffs on movies not made in the USA is going
    to be a real mess. Trump has backed off saying it's for National
    Security and just going with they should make all the movies you
    guys see in the USA so they make all the production money there
    although, like with a lot of things, there are going to be financial
    reasons why many movies made by American companies are filmed partially
    or totally in Canada. They were saying that in a lot of cases it's
    cheaper to do it here and we have good sites for making movies, but
    I'd imagine you could duplicate those sites somewhere in your country.
    Most things tend to boil down to money, and maybe certain talents when
    it comes to things like movie making. I'm sure they have good reasons
    for making the movies here so any attempt to force that to change
    will likely have some sort of negative impact on the industry there.

    The Premier of British Columbia, where they make a lot of movies
    working with American companies, when asked about it just came
    out and said that Trump is an 'A-Hole'.. Something a lot of
    people might like to say on the National news but most resist
    the temptation better than he did. B)

    The next fun thing.. I couldn't believe this one but they showed
    a clip of an interview with Trump today and he was saying how he
    definitely wants Canada to become part of the USA, and when the
    interviewer asked him if he'd consider using the military to make
    sure that happens, Trump said he wouldn't rule that out..

    By the time you see this the meeting between Trump and Carney
    may have already happened. Can't wait to hear how that went..

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