For Nixon, there was Woodward.
For Clinton, Ken Star.
Who will it be for our current kerfuffle? Who will stand up? Democracy Forward has filed a barrage of FOIA requests with a request to expedite.
When I was in the biz, a FOIA requests was a bastard. I had to search all my files for any mention of a person I never even heard of. I had a lot of files at my disposal. I had a deadline of 3 days and it took all 24 hours of the 3 workdays to search and sign my name on the request. TBH, I used the time to
have my subordinates shred the outdated classified information in the process. I have a few questions about the "Epstein Files":
1) Why were/are they classified. I think this may be a miss-reporting due to the inability for people not subjected to AR 380-5, or the other services' guides to handling classified information, to understand what the classifications are and what they mean. The classifications are few and easy to understand. They should learn it before they mark something as classified. </end rant>
If they are legitimately classified, the reason they are classified would be more interesting than what is contained in them. It could be as simple as the method with which the information was collected. If intelligence assets were used, likely, they will never be released.
2) Has Trump raped minors? As much as his affiliation with Epstein would suggest this, I find this hard to digest. Him fucking everyone's wives I could believe. But that would be as new news as Clinton screwing anyone. At this point in time, I'm inclined to believe that H. Clinton stood by her man, not
because of the political power, but because it was no surprise.
I wonder if Foster's "suicide" on the Whitehouse lawn is connected into this m somehow...but I diverge.
No, I think Trump's involvement in the Files would be more of a financial nature. Something like money laundering or hidden off-shore accounts enabling tax-evasion. I just don't see Trump being a pedofile. A philanderer, yes. But not with children.
3) Melania knows. But, what does she know? Her silence is deafening. She knows where the bodies are buried (figuratively.) Whatever Trump is hiding has happened since she entered his life. That gives a tight timeframe to investigate as she and he became an item in the late 90s (I think). The Trump/Epstein breakup happened in either 2004 or 2008. So, about a decade of interactions between the two should be looked at. If I'm not wrong, the NY financial investigations of Trump and Trump Corp. took place during that time.
4) Which brings me onto the next one. IF the illegal activity took place during the said time-frame, Letitia James has the dirt. She successfully prosecuted him and company based on information from that time period.
It will be interesting to see what comes out in the upcoming months. I'm just glad that I've been reduced to decaf and as such greatly reducing my consumption of coffee. A 50% tariff on my previous favorite drink is gonna make that baby singe when I buy the coffee for my wife.
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2) Has Trump raped minors? As much as his affiliation with Epstein would suggest this, I find this hard to digest. Him fucking everyone's wives I could
believe. But that would be as new news as Clinton screwing anyone. At this point in time, I'm inclined to believe that H. Clinton stood by her man, not because of the political power, but because it was no surprise.
I wonder if Foster's "suicide" on the Whitehouse lawn is connected into this m
somehow...but I diverge.
No, I think Trump's involvement in the Files would be more of a financial nature. Something like money laundering or hidden off-shore accounts enabling tax-evasion. I just don't see Trump being a pedofile. A philanderer, yes. But not with children.

I find it difficult to believe also and wonder if the connection isn't something else. It would explain why Trump (apparently) believed his name wouldn't be "in the files" only to find out it was.

As an aside, there are some that don't care if it was kids. They
figure/know that Trump sexually harassed grown women. They want to know
why we don't "listen to the women" instead of waiting for the files. While
I agree with that, some of these people I've known for years and they are
the same ones back c1992 that didn't want to "listen to the women" then.
Not only did they not want to listen, many were ones that called those
women names and questioned their motives.... "she's a money hungry ho,"
"she is too ugly for this to be true," etc.

I find their "listen to the women" act now very ironic considering that
anyone whose head hasn't been in the sand knows that Clinton was a
philanderer, big time, and yes Hillary knew and put up with it because she wanted to be in the White House.

I find it odd, and sad, that we weren't "listening to the women" both times.

Mike


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Jazzy J wrote to All <=-

Who will it be for our current kerfuffle? Who will stand up? Democracy Forward has filed a barrage of FOIA requests with a request to
expedite.

I think the $50 million bounty for the Epstein files might be
interesting - although that's not a lot of money to spend the rest of
your life looking over your shoulder.

We know it's not a republican thing or a democratic thing, it's not
even an American thing. I'd venture to guess that Epstein was
bankrolled by someone to run a pedo honeypot and gain compromising
information on people in power. They've compromised the US government
and the British royal family, who knows who else is implicated?

They all, no matter who's in power, have a vested interest in keeping
it under wraps, except for the person behind the scenes.



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We know it's not a republican thing or a democratic thing, it's not
even an American thing. I'd venture to guess that Epstein was
bankrolled by someone to run a pedo honeypot and gain compromising
information on people in power. They've compromised the US government
and the British royal family, who knows who else is implicated?

There are some heads of US corporations and philanthropists whose names get thrown around a lot. I am betting there are a few more western politicians
not linked to the US or UK that are also watching this closely.


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On Sun 10-Aug-2025 9:56a, Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Jazzy J:

I find their "listen to the women" act now very ironic considering that anyone whose head hasn't been in the sand knows that Clinton was a philanderer, big time, and yes Hillary knew and put up with it because she wanted to be in the White House.

What is there to "listen to"? Most of these grown ass women know exactly what they are doing and exactly what they are getting into. Trading what is between their legs for money, power or both is as old as time itself! What happens between 2 conscenting adults needs to stay between two consenting adults. My issue with Clinton was never that he got his knob polished in the Oval office, but that he lied about it.

Now back to Epstein. Since I was referring to consenting adults in the above, I am sure everyone going to "Pedo Island" knew what Epstein and the trips were about, even if they did not partake in it (For those that can not believe Trump could rape children, and fair enough unless there is evidence there..). I also find it hard to believe they did not either at least hear rumors, or knew first hand what went on during these trips. Most people, if they heard even the slightest hint of innapropriate activites taking place involving children would not only not have anything to do with such trips, but also make some kind of report / inquiry into if those rumors were true to protect said children.

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Now back to Epstein. Since I was referring to consenting adults in the above, I am sure everyone going to "Pedo Island" knew what Epstein and the trips were about, even if they did not partake in it (For those that can not believe Trump could rape children, and fair enough unless there is evidence there..). I also find it hard to believe they did not either at least hear rumors, or knew first hand what went on during these trips. Most people, if they heard even the slightest hint of innapropriate activites taking place involving children would not only not have anything to do with such trips, but
also make some kind of report / inquiry into if those rumors were true to protect said children.

You would sure think so. Then again, I am not certain that these "young
women" were presented as being under age, or if Epstein lied about their
ages to potential johns. In most of the supposed photo evidence of men of power cavorting with these girls, they don't look underage -- but we know
now they were.

Not giving anyone an excuse for participating, but I wonder if the rumors
were misleading and the truth was only known to those potentially being extorted after the fact.

I do, too, wonder why no one ever came forward to expose it beforehand, and also wonder why no charges have come from that cover-up.


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Hello Mike!

** On Monday 11.08.25 - 09:36, Mike Powell wrote to RUG RAT:

I do, too, wonder why no one ever came forward to expose it beforehand, and also wonder why no charges have come from that cover-up.

But.. didn't they charge and convict Epstein's girlfriend?

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No, I think Trump's involvement in the Files would be more of a financial

>> nature. Something like money laundering or hidden off-shore accounts enabli
>> tax-evasion. I just don't see Trump being a pedofile. A philanderer, yes. B
>> not with children.

As an aside, there are some that don't care if it was kids. They

>figure/know that Trump sexually harassed grown women. They want to know
>why we don't "listen to the women" instead of waiting for the files. While
>I agree with that, some of these people I've known for years and they are
>the same ones back c1992 that didn't want to "listen to the women" then.
>Not only did they not want to listen, many were ones that called those
>women names and questioned their motives.... "she's a money hungry ho,"
>"she is too ugly for this to be true," etc.

I suppose the difficult part is that some women do take advantage of
situations in order to get money where nothing 'wrong' was done to
them.

It's a mess because you feel like you want to believe all women but
that opens it up to abuse by other women as well.

Wasn't there one Porn Star woman who trump paid a small fortune to
so she wouldn't say he slept with her, and then it all came out later?

There's been a case on the news where a woman was suing 5 young hockey
players (World Hockey Junior Gold winners) for sexually assaulting her.
Not having heard all the evidence I can't directly comment but the
*Woman* judge decided that the girl was lying, that she readily agreed
to have sex with them and then decided to sue later just to get money
using the threat that if it came out they would lose their now more
serious professional hockey careers..

There were recordings of the incident on phones I assume where she
just seemed too thrilled to be doing it where she later said she didn't
want to but figured she couldn't leave when more guys showed up.

BTW The case came to court more than 6 years after the incident..

That's another problem that can affect believability..

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Now back to Epstein. Since I was referring to consenting adults in the abo

> I am sure everyone going to "Pedo Island" knew what Epstein and the trips we
>about, even if they did not partake in it (For those that can not believe Tru
>could rape children, and fair enough unless there is evidence there..). I al
>find it hard to believe they did not either at least hear rumors, or knew fir
>hand what went on during these trips.

As was mentioned.. consenting adults of legal age who are willingly there shouldn't be a problem. As for Trump, I would imagine among a large
number of wealthy, powerful people Epstein was throwing the kewlest
parties in town and, from what I've seen, I can see Trump wanting to
be in on that even if he never did anyting illegal himself.

That said, that's probably no reason to villify him either. If the
voters know the type of person he is and want to vote for him then
that's fine.. I'm not a big fan of hiding the truth or spreading
lies, especially with politicians, but as far as basic morals go
you can vote for anyone you like (if they haven't broken any laws)
and then live with your choice..

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** On Monday 11.08.25 - 09:36, Mike Powell wrote to RUG RAT:

I do, too, wonder why no one ever came forward to expose it beforehand, and also wonder why no charges have come from that cover-up.

But.. didn't they charge and convict Epstein's girlfriend?

Yeah, she is the only one. No one else who might have known, been in or
it, or participated has ever been convicted. Well, besides Epstein, who is dead.

Mike


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Wasn't there one Porn Star woman who trump paid a small fortune to
so she wouldn't say he slept with her, and then it all came out later?

Yes. I am guessing he didn't pay her enough. IIRC, there was also at least
one woman that Clinton harrassed and maybe paid off whose story came out
later. Once you start paying people off to keep your secrets, there is no guarantee they won't still come out.

BTW The case came to court more than 6 years after the incident..

That's another problem that can affect believability..

There have been cases where that happens, for sure. There are cases where
men make stuff up for money, too. My thinking is that the more people who
are coming forward against one person, especially if some are credible,
the more likely that the smoke means there is a fire somewhere.

Mike

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Wasn't there one Porn Star woman who trump paid a small fortune to

>> so she wouldn't say he slept with her, and then it all came out later?

Yes. I am guessing he didn't pay her enough. IIRC, there was also at least

>one woman that Clinton harrassed and maybe paid off whose story came out
>later. Once you start paying people off to keep your secrets, there is no
>guarantee they won't still come out.

Yes, and if I recall, it came out because he was using campaign funds
to pay her off which is illegal adding to the negative aspects of
the situation.

BTW The case came to court more than 6 years after the incident..

That's another problem that can affect believability..

There have been cases where that happens, for sure. There are cases where

>men make stuff up for money, too. My thinking is that the more people who
>are coming forward against one person, especially if some are credible,
>the more likely that the smoke means there is a fire somewhere.

Yes, multiple cases are usually closer to proof it was going on.
When there's a huge amount of money available to pay people off
though I guess there's still no guarantees. If the only thing
going on are possible criminal charges I think you could more
trust what the complainants are saying.

It's unfortunnate but the few women who lie about sexual assault
just make it harder for those with a legitimate complaint to
be believed.. Just being accused can ruin a man's life too, even
if he 'proves' in court he was falsely accused, a lot of people
will just think he got away with it so it's not just women getting
a raw deal at times.

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Wasn't there one Porn Star woman who trump paid a small fortune to

>> so she wouldn't say he slept with her, and then it all came out later?

Yes. I am guessing he didn't pay her enough. IIRC, there was also at least

>one woman that Clinton harrassed and maybe paid off whose story came out
>later. Once you start paying people off to keep your secrets, there is no
>guarantee they won't still come out.

Yes, and if I recall, it came out because he was using campaign funds
to pay her off which is illegal adding to the negative aspects of
the situation.

That certainly rings a bell.

There have been cases where that happens, for sure. There are cases where

>men make stuff up for money, too. My thinking is that the more people who
>are coming forward against one person, especially if some are credible,
>the more likely that the smoke means there is a fire somewhere.

Yes, multiple cases are usually closer to proof it was going on.
When there's a huge amount of money available to pay people off
though I guess there's still no guarantees.

When you have a legit fire going, it is going to attract some "fire bugs"
for sure!

If the only thing
going on are possible criminal charges I think you could more
trust what the complainants are saying.

Indeed!

It's unfortunnate but the few women who lie about sexual assault
just make it harder for those with a legitimate complaint to
be believed.. Just being accused can ruin a man's life too, even
if he 'proves' in court he was falsely accused, a lot of people
will just think he got away with it so it's not just women getting
a raw deal at times.

Also unfortunately true.

mike

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It's unfortunnate but the few women who lie about sexual assault

>> just make it harder for those with a legitimate complaint to
>> be believed.. Just being accused can ruin a man's life too, even
>> if he 'proves' in court he was falsely accused, a lot of people
>> will just think he got away with it so it's not just women getting
>> a raw deal at times.

Also unfortunately true.

Yes, there have been several cases the last few years with male
teachers being blackmailed by female students threatening to
claim that the teacher assaulted them if he doesn't give them a
better mark. If that threat is ever carried out, even if it's
found to be totally bogus in court, usually the teacher loses
his job and can't find another because of that claim on record..

I always figured the fair way to handle things like that would be
for the person lying about what happened, if proven absolutely,
should be given the same prison sentence that the other person
would have gotten if found guilty..

That might stop a lot of people from making false claims for all
sorts of different crimes.

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