|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Dan Clough
|03on |1112 May 22 18:45|03.

And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So you
do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them
down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

eob-bbs.com port 23.

He has 3 boards run from that address. His, Graveyard BBS, and Datastream

now you ruined the fucking fun.

they dont run from that address.

they telegate out to their real addressed.
AND i run 4 bbses.

what a party pooper.
very disapointed in you.

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|03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
|03on |1112 May 22 20:06:00|03.

T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So yo do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

eob-bbs.com port 23.

Yeah...... when you connect to that, the prompt is: "Sysop password: " which is not real useful.

hahahah

If you say so. Not reachable though.

no lamers allowed

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|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Dan Clough
|03on |1112 May 22 22:00|03.

eob-bbs.com port 23.

Yeah...... when you connect to that, the prompt is: "Sysop password: " which is not real useful.

HAHA ... That's funny, I was just on there yesterday and uploaded my new renegade release. Just tried now ... and you're right, it does say that.

just use the system password
works for me

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i just told him about the freezeup issue and disconnected.
i got no email back so he probably doesn't even call his own bbs to see ho annoying it is.

I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

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what a party pooper.
very disapointed in you.

I was defending the honor of the RG board that is in your list. :)

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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Sat May 14 2022 12:47 pm

what a party pooper.
very disapointed in you.

I was defending the honor of the RG board that is in your list. :)

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T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

More phone trivia, area codes were designed so that the most populous
areas had the lowest numbers, because they were dialed on a rotary
phone and would be dialed more often. Compare New York (212), Los
Angeles (213), Hawaii (808) and Alaska (907).

That's interesting to know.

I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular
basis. No voicemail. No redial.

Growing up, we had one desk phone in the family room and one wall
phone in the kitchen. The kitchen phone was yellow to match the decor.

Welcome to the 1970s.





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Hello Kurt,

13 May 22 07:21, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

Welcome to the 1970s.

Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone Store looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

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On 15 May 22 08:24:08, Sean Dennis said the following to Kurt Weiske:

Welcome to the 1970s.

Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone Sto looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the station wagon.

Nick

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I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

Some BBS software, like Magicka, has a setting where the sysop can supress sysop logins in the callers lists.

Mike


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I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular
basis. No voicemail. No redial.

All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and
then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before
you typed the next one.

My first modem line was also pulse.


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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Kurt Weiske to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri May 13 2022 07:21 am

T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

More phone trivia, area codes were designed so that the most populous
areas had the lowest numbers, because they were dialed on a rotary
phone and would be dialed more often. Compare New York (212), Los
Angeles (213), Hawaii (808) and Alaska (907).

That's interesting to know.

I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular
basis. No voicemail. No redial.

Growing up, we had one desk phone in the family room and one wall
phone in the kitchen. The kitchen phone was yellow to match the decor.

Welcome to the 1970s.

my grandmother still had an old green at&t phone she RENTED from the phone company. these blood suckers were still charging her money every month for this piece of shit rotary phone. this was until 1994. my grandfather was a gadget freak so he had speakerphone before everyone else and wireless phones. they just grew attached to that big hunk of green and yellow plastic.

dialing one of those sucked. if you made a mistake you'd have to go back to cranking away
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All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before you typed the next one.

That was a setting on the phone, tone or pulse. Tone dialing was an additional monthly fee from the phone company.


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Kurt Weiske wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a
regular basis. No voicemail. No redial.

I certainly did.

Growing up, we had one desk phone in the family room and one wall
phone in the kitchen. The kitchen phone was yellow to match the
decor.

Sweet setup. We only had the one wallphone in the kitchen. Not great
when trying to talk with the GF's (at age 15-17) with the parents within earshot. A lot of muffled and whispered talk. :-)

Welcome to the 1970s.

We had great music though.


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Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Welcome to the 1970s.

Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone

Sto

looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the
station wagon.

Hahahahaha, yep!!!



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Dumas Walker wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push
button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the
number and then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before you typed the next one.

My family has a cabin in the Lake tahoe area. For the longest time
they ran an old crossbar switch that didn't do tone, then that hybrid
you mention where tones would send dial pulses. They're a little more
modern now, think they're running a DMS system now.



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Dan Clough wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Welcome to the 1970s.

We had great music though.

I try to imagine being involved in the music industry in the 1970s in
LA. Must have been crazy.



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I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

Some BBS software, like Magicka, has a setting where the sysop can supress sysop logins in the callers lists.

I can too in Renegade ... but I'm talking about the date on the USER LIST, not the caller list.

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My first modem line was also pulse.

ATDP

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Welcome to the 1970s.

We had great music though.

I try to imagine being involved in the music industry in the
1970s in LA. Must have been crazy.

Indeed, crazy. Fun for some, not so much for others probably, the
artists right on the edge but struggling. Lots of money to be made for
the select few. The partying and related stuff was probably epic.



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All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before
you typed the next one.

That was a setting on the phone, tone or pulse. Tone dialing was an additional
onthly fee from the phone company.

Correct, and we had pulse dialing so the push button phones still sent the pulses.


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To: Dumas Walker
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Dumas Walker to KURT WEISKE on Sun May 15 2022 09:12 am

I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular basis. No voicemail. No redial.

All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and
then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before you typed the next one.

My first modem line was also pulse.

i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just some dumb feature on phones.

i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.
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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Dumas Walker on Sun May 15 2022 01:54 pm

I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

Some BBS software, like Magicka, has a setting where the sysop can supress sysop logins in the callers lists.

I can too in Renegade ... but I'm talking about the date on the USER LIST, not the caller list.

yeah that's the first thing i usually look for.
i've seen sysops that havent logged in 1+ years.
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Sweet setup. We only had the one wallphone in the kitchen. Not great
when trying to talk with the GF's (at age 15-17) with the parents within earshot. A lot of muffled and whispered talk. :-)

That's part of why I bought the 25' spiral cord. You could walk almost all the way across the house while you were talking on the phone, including into the first floor bedroom and shut the door.


- Andre
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Andre Robitaille wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Sweet setup. We only had the one wallphone in the kitchen. Not great
when trying to talk with the GF's (at age 15-17) with the parents within earshot. A lot of muffled and whispered talk. :-)

That's part of why I bought the 25' spiral cord. You could walk
almost all the way across the house while you were talking on the
phone, including into the first floor bedroom and shut the door.

A very good idea. I honestly cannot fathom why I didn't do that too.


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On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.

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On 11 May 2022, Juan Gonzalez said the following...

Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Robert Wolfe to Juan Gonzalez on Sun May 08 2022 07:02 am

Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

OMG, Wildcat! Now there's a name that I haven't come across in decades. Does it still deliver native app / RIP graphics, like Excalibur BBS used to? _____

Version 8.x does not without modification via wcBASIC.

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Hello Nick,

15 May 22 08:58, you wrote to me:

Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the station
wagon.

That too. Don't forget the wall-mount phone in the kitchen.

-- Sean

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|03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Kurt Weiske
|03on |1115 May 22 08:24:08|03.

Hello Kurt,

13 May 22 07:21, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

Welcome to the 1970s.

Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone St looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

that was the coolest color back then. i helped clear out an old house on a lake and it was avacado green and stainless steel. then wood paneling.

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|03Quoting message from |11Robert Wolfe |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1116 May 22 08:04:19|03.

On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.

i have cancer so i'm allowed to joke.

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|03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Nick Andre
|03on |1116 May 22 09:29:10|03.

Hello Nick,

15 May 22 08:58, you wrote to me:

Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the station wagon.

That too. Don't forget the wall-mount phone in the kitchen.

and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?

why wouldn't the default location be the living room.

was the kitchen the 'place to be?'

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and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?
why wouldn't the default location be the living room.
was the kitchen the 'place to be?'

Wife was home. Wife was in kitchen. Put phone in kitchen.


- Andre
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On 16 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

Quoting message from Robert Wolfe to Jas Hud
on 16 May 22 08:04:19.

On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.

i have cancer so i'm allowed to joke.

My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

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My first modem line was also pulse.

i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just some du
feature on phones.

i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.

I don't think it was really a feature. It was the standard technology that allowed you to use a push-button phone, or a modem, on a phone line meant
for a rotary phone.

Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra for,
at the time, until it became the default standard.


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To: Robert Wolfe
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Robert Wolfe to Jas Hud on Mon May 16 2022 03:43 pm

On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.

i have cancer so i'm allowed to joke.

My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

i thought he killed himself.
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To: Dumas Walker
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Dumas Walker to JAS HUD on Mon May 16 2022 04:32 pm

My first modem line was also pulse.

i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just some du
feature on phones.

i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.

I don't think it was really a feature. It was the standard technology that allowed you to use a push-button phone, or a modem, on a phone line meant for a rotary phone.

Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra for, at the time, until it became the default standard.

i never heard from anybody that you had to pay more for tons.

and the pulse dialing i thought was just some weird feature when i was a kid. i pushed the button on my phone to do pulse dialing.

i'm pretty sure we've had tone dialing for 50-60 years or more.

those charges are just part of the bullshit phone companies would pull on people. they really committed so many sins back in the day.
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Hi, Dumas Walker & JAS HUD.

i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just >

some du > feature on phones.

i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.

I don't think it was really a feature. It was the standard technology
that allowed you to use a push-button phone, or a modem, on a phone line
meant for a rotary phone.

Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra
for, at the time, until it became the default standard.

i never heard from anybody that you had to pay more for tons.

and the pulse dialing i thought was just some weird feature when i was a kid. i pushed the button on my phone to do pulse dialing.

i'm pretty sure we've had tone dialing for 50-60 years or more.

those charges are just part of the bullshit phone companies would pull on people. they really committed so many sins back in the day.
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i never heard from anybody that you had to pay more for tons.

Yes, you did. That was something that may have become less common once
AT&T was not the only option.

i'm pretty sure we've had tone dialing for 50-60 years or more.

I would say at least 50, but pulse dialing was the standard because most
people still had rotary phones in the 1970's, and rotary phones could not
do touch tone dialing.

Now, if you had a contraption that would make the touch tone sounds (my
uncle had one), you could use a rotary phone by punching the number into
the contraption, picking up the receiver, putting the contraptions speaker
next to the receiver mic, and then hit the button that told the contraption
to send the touch tones. So long, that is, as your line supported touch
tone dialing.


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and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?
why wouldn't the default location be the living room.
was the kitchen the 'place to be?'

Wife was home. Wife was in kitchen. Put phone in kitchen.

- Andre

I remember my Grand mother had one of those crank Phones int the
Kitchen and you had to share the line, OOp did I give my age away
Sam


Bye for now...
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To: Robert Wolfe
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Robert Wolfe to Jas Hud on Wed May 18 2022 07:44 pm

On 16 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

i thought he killed himself.

Why would he have done a stupid thing like that? No, unfortunately he lost a 24-year-long battle with non-Hogkins' Lymphoma.

i thought you said he did that. i usually have a good memory when it's something i read. maybe it was just an attempt years ago.

anyways, didnt ask about your husband. it's too bad he died but i have some dead people in my life too. my mom died on her birthday and my friend blew his brains out and left behind 5 kids. i know 3 people that killed themselves in the past 2 years.

don't take shit so personally. we all have shit in our lives.
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Hello Kurt.

<On 18May2022 07:10 Kurt Weiske (1:218/700) wrote a message to Dumas Walker regarding Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic >

Now, if you had a contraption that would make the touch tone sounds (my uncle had one), you could use a rotary phone by punching the number
into the contraption, picking up the receiver, putting the contraptions speaker next to the receiver mic, and then hit the button that told the contraption to send the touch tones. So long, that is, as your line supported touch tone dialing.

Change the crystal on the contraption, and suddenly your little
dialer box is sending 2600hz tones... :)

Umm... I seem to remember a gizmo called a RedBox or something like that, that was used to trick pay phones by imitating the sound of various coin denominations being inserted. But that's been decades ago and I might be thinking of something else, but it was illegal as all get-out.

Best regards,
Marc

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Back when I was in telecom, one of the trade mags had an April Fool's
issue. One of the news articles was a panicked story about the phone companies running out of imaginary 555- numbers for Hollywood.

LOL, that is pretty good. I wonder how many people fell for it.


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Think we can maybe get a new subject lineas this thread has gone WAY off ropic.
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Hello Dallas,

22 May 22 19:14, you wrote to Marc Lewis:

Think we can maybe get a new subject lineas this thread has gone WAY
off ropic.
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Any reason you have two tearlines in your messages?

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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat May 14 2022 05:08 pm

converting to telegard!

What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

C:\TG>telegard

Please set the date & time, it is required for operation.
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To: Rob Swindell
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Tue May 24 2022 01:19 pm

Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat May 14 2022 05:08 pm

converting to telegard!

What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

C:\TG>telegard

Please set the date & time, it is required for operation.

dunno, i'll have to take a look at it later.
looks like the last time i played with telegard was 2003

so maybe i was running it on windows xp back then.
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*** Quoting Rob Swindell from a message to Jas Hud ***

What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

C:\TG>telegard

Please set the date & time, it is required for operation. --

I have it running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2 (32bit), though not sure if 32bit counts as "modern".

https://ibb.co/R63Hysf


Jay

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To: Rob Swindell
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 12:56 pm

Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.

he's talking about that video you made where you were demonstrating using various softwares with the virtual dos modem.

I am aware of that.

but you weren't running his last release of renegade, you were running the one i put together for the renegadebbs.info site. that's what i'm getting at.
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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 06:12 pm

You should just say it's YOUR copy of renegade. Just let people run what want and leave behind the stress of being the official renegade developer.

That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard come out of your mouth.

Thats
like saying Mystic isn't made by James Coyle because he put the source out and then left for awhile, and then started up again.

There is no stress for being an RG delevoper. I have just contiunued the

well you arent the original author of renegade;it's not your baby. you are one of a long line of contributers.

There is no stress for being an RG delevoper. I have just contiunued the path I made since 2003. No one stepped up to do anything. And the old site saying Renegade isn't in development is the dumbest thing I ever saw. I've released

Well that's not the 'old site'; that IS the Renegade site.
Renegadebbs.info has been around for 10 years and that's the site that renegadebbs.net directs to.

It's the site that comes up when you search for renegade.
It's on a rented server and it's up all the time and has been around a long time.

you were gone for a while and then came back. i'm not sure how long you were gone but it seemed like quite a stretch.

i have links to github and your releases.
I think i'm pretty honest about the current state of renegade.

you'd advertise that. You can't say it's been there, because you updated the site within the last few months after I removed all the old 1.19a source code from Github. I just don't get you sometimes.

i didnt even know you took it off of github? why did you do that?
i updated the rg site when i was playing around with the telgard site.
there's no ulterior motive.

I happen to like RG. And yes, it is the official version as I was passed the code from Patrick and continued from it. There is nothing released inbetween what I've done since 2003, so yes, it is the official version. Maybe for all 10 boards that run Renegade, maybe 3 update and stay updated, but it's still inline for the official title.

I used to like renegade. that was until people took it and fucked with it and SHIT ON IT. Now i don't like it at all. Jesse and I have that site up incase people need files and want help. I think i've done a pretty good job and you certainly have dropped the fucking ball in that department.

You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a domain up long, long ago.

Instead you were doing this visit my bbs and download it shit. that's didnt cut it. i believe before then you had bbsfiles's doug doing stuff for you. that was poor judgement too. now you will never have renegadebbs.net

I'm spending my money on hosting this stuff and getting nothing in return.
I link to your site. I have links to github. There's nothing wrong with what i'm doing.

But again, renegade isnt your baby. And cott lang giving out the code out was a big mistake because look at what happened with renegade all those years.
There's very little interest in our hobby so you shouldn't expect people to take the source code and run with it.

www.rgbbs.info has everything you need for RG. From 11-26.3 (2003) up until v1.30 of this month. So,I don't know why you need to try and promote old versions and have the latest as a footnote on the bottom as a link to RG's site.

it's a file archive. renegade is more than just about your contributions.
I did the same with all my bbs related websites. Sometimes people want to see the old version and try them out. You can read the documentation and find
things the author added that you didnt know about sometimes. On my bbses i still host all those old renegade mods that don't work anymore because you guys borked the datafiles and menu files. should i just delete all that?

I dunno, like I said, sometimes I just don't get you.

if you have any questions just ask. i just don't like things getting lost. There's some things I'm just great at doing. I am good at sticking around and i'm good at being organized and i try to give people what they want. I've outlasted many people that tried to copy what i did in the bbs community. I never wanted to even do this shit. i always just wanted to be a user.

i'm not mad at you and i don't think you're an asshole. i just think you need to relax a bit. i'm not sure if this is about ego or your love of the software. I loved renegade too until it got taken over and changed. then i went to iniquity and the same shit happened.

If i were you i'd really make renegade your own and change it a lot more if you are able. another guy made renegade/x and maybe that's something you need to do to give your version more exposure and to really own it as your own.
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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Jas Hud to Rob Swindell on Wed May 25 2022 11:30 pm

To: Rob Swindell
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 12:56 pm

Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.

he's talking about that video you made where you were demonstrating using various softwares with the virtual dos modem.

I am aware of that.

but you weren't running his last release of renegade, you were running the one i put together for the renegadebbs.info site. that's what i'm getting at.

Yes, I'm aware of that too. And I was also aware of that when I made the video. --
digital man (rob)

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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: MRO to T.J. Mcmillen on Wed May 25 2022 11:56 pm

Thats
like saying Mystic isn't made by James Coyle because he put the source out and then left for awhile, and then started up again.

another thing you did which reminds me of g00r00 is you took that source off github and then say to get the compiled version from your site.

that is absolutely NOT what github is about. AND you're using github to host your website. that's totally wrong.

just leave it out there. only the strong survive. you don't have to keep working hard to establish yourself as the one and only renegade developer. there's some losers on github who forked it and made stupid changes.
that lee woodridge guy is making moderate changes but atleast he's doing something with it. OH... is that your ghost coder?


honestly i think working on the 32bit version of renegade that rick ported would be better.

and again, only the strong survived. when i had those 3+ dickheads copying my sites and using the same scripts and making it like it was all their code i
beat them by being the man. they couldnt get the people that i got and they couldnt put in the hard work i put in.
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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: MRO to T.J. Mcmillen on Thu May 26 2022 02:12 pm

another thing you did which reminds me of g00r00 is you took that source off github and then say to get the compiled version from your site.

that is absolutely NOT what github is about. AND you're using github to host your website. that's totally wrong.

just leave it out there. only the strong survive. you don't have to keep working hard to establish yourself as the one and only renegade developer. there's some losers on github who forked it and made stupid changes.

so now i look on the wiki and you have been trying to rewrite history here.

you are being very childish.

you removed the links to rick parrish's 119 32bit port and the y2k port.
what gives you the right to do that? very childish behavior.

you are no better than patrick spence. you are not a programmer. you get someone else to do that work (lee palmer, lee woodridge) and act like it's yours. you need to really examine your behavior. really tacky behavior.

I'm taking your links off the official renegade bbs site.
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You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a doma up long, long ago.

I did ... Chris Hoppman bought renegadebbs.net back in 2004, then when he went nuts gave it to bbsfiles guy to run. Then when I couldn't get it back, I bought renegadebbs.info and asked bbsfiles guy to redirect to renegadebbs.info.

Then I gave it to Lux when I was tired of running it, and somehow you come up with it.

Maybe you should learn history before you spout off. Just sayin'.

... If users can't read the manual, give them the source code

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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Sun May 29 2022 12:52 pm

You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a doma up long, long ago.

I did ... Chris Hoppman bought renegadebbs.net back in 2004, then when he went nuts gave it to bbsfiles guy to run. Then when I couldn't get it back, I bought renegadebbs.info and asked bbsfiles guy to redirect to renegadebbs.info.

Then I gave it to Lux when I was tired of running it, and somehow you

come
up with it.

Maybe you should learn history before you spout off. Just sayin'.

oh i thought lux registered it when you let it expire.
You should have him give it back to you.
I forgot that you ran it and i now see emails from us talking in 2010 about it.

Jesse and I just wanted to have a home for renegade. If people did a web search and came up empty that did nobody any good.

Lux has full control of the renegade site, so he can give you the domain, redirect it to you or modify the site. Right now he's real busy with school
and work. He's had a lot of life problems and changes so we really did not accomplish what we intended to do with renegade and I've done the site and those unofficial packs where doorgames and other things are setup. People have said they like them.

Regardless, what you mentioned are all bad decisions. You should have kept the domain and kept something up for renegade.
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To: T.J. Mcmillen
Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: MRO to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun May 29 2022 05:10 pm

oh i thought lux registered it when you let it expire.
You should have him give it back to you.
I forgot that you ran it and i now see emails from us talking in 2010 about it.

So we (lux and i) were talking today and i've been drinking and now i remembered that I had the domain and i gave it to lux. so maybe you let it expire and i just registered it.

or i registered it and directed it to you? dunno. reading email chains and it's mostly talking about my bbsbanner site.
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Lux has full control of the renegade site, so he can give you the domain, redirect it to you or modify the site. Right now he's real busy with scho

Doesn't really matter ... if they want it, they'll find it.

have said they like them.

That's cool ... you can do a 1.30 one as well if you like.

Regardless, what you mentioned are all bad decisions. You should have kept domain and kept something up for renegade.

Yeah I know ... but I was just tired of paying for it. <G> Child support
was killing me back then. Every couple dollars counted.

... We want peaceful relations, or we'll blow up your planet.

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Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
By: Robert Wolfe to Juan Gonzalez on Sun May 08 2022 07:02 am

Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

OMG, Wildcat! Now there's a name that I haven't come across in decades. Do
it still deliver native app / RIP graphics, like Excalibur BBS used to? _____
-=: Kaelon :=-
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Only if you have custom WCXs in place it will.

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